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I’m really hoping Harris wins, and we can make politics boring again. I know that if Trump wins, we’ll hear about all the insanity he will put in place for the next four years.
Sure, if he loses, Trump will cry foul, but that doesn’t have the same legs as it would if he wins.
I just want Trump to be some washed out TV “celebrity” and politics to be as entertaining as it always is: not very.
I’m not American and all I hear about right now is American politics. Y’all need to figure your shit out.
Trump is not the problem. Trump is the symptom. The problem is a somewhat powerful minority faction in the US actively pushing to dismantle our democracy. Project 2025 wasn’t written by Trump and didn’t write itself.
Harris’ win is step 1. We then need to push to shore up our democracy and prevent a more cunning trump replacement.
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Plus he’s proven that having a cult of personality works, and caused a notable shift in the US Republican party.
For all we know, that might be a permanent change, rather than a temporary one.
I’m just hoping that there’s no one with his “charisma.” Thankfully everyone else scummy enough to be in the GOP is a wet rag in comparison to him so far. He may be a piece of shit, but a con man “confidence man” he most definitely is.
If Trump wins, the world will become a way less hospitable place even faster. This is literally the fight for the last resources, and the 1% wants it all. Trump is a Billionaire enabler… nothing else.
sorry to say but if trump is junior partner in a billionaire oligarchy firm then harris is their employee as head of hr who pretends to be our friend but is actually their to keep us in check. she was chose as vp by the lobbyists and since then she has only followed their orders.
At least she won’t strip away any right. Freedom my arse.
next four years
Optimist.
If Trump loses, that dissolves the Trump cult and the next Trump that comes along will just be compared to Trump
I wouldn’t count on that. These are cultists who are ready to deify Trump and start sending people to the camps. I don’t think losing an election will change the fundamental cult dynamic, or the hatred and anger that has been organized within the cult. We are stuck with this bullshit probably for the rest of our lives, one way or the other.
You are out of your mind, my friend and so far removed from reality. What insanity are you even referring to? America needs rehabilitation, and we’re not getting that with Harris, who has presented herself as utterly clueless in just about all her media interactions. It’s absolutely bonkers how the seemingly majority of people here on Lemmy can’t see this. Yikes! Glad to see the blue wall coming down as I type this.
Found the cult member.
Yes. You were looking in the mirror.
Childish response from a clown who thinks a geriatric nepo baby is going to make america great.
Not at all. I think he’s going to fuck it up royally.
I’m just not blind faith attatched to eating the shit of genociding democrats like most of the real clowns on this website.
The democrats could have run a candidate who would have made Trump look foolish, but they didn’t. Instead they ran the bigger fool.
Only the DNC is to blame. People I forgive. The fear is real.
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All arguments are expired at this point. Now you’ll just have to witness for yourself how he’ll do a better job.
To answer your question, though, I implore you (and anyone reading this comment) to pick through the trove of Charlie Kirk videos on YouTube with an open mind. 🙏🏽
Your mind would have to be positively cavernous.
Good one.
I will now cut back on all social media. Lemmy included as I get a depression from what’s happening in the US. What is painfully obvious is that we Europeans must stop fucking around and federate so that we have a fucking chance wedged in between despots and idiots.
Best of luck, wish me good luck on getting out of here before everyone realizes they closed the boarders going OUT as well as IN.
Volt all the way baby!!!
Lets get the european federation on the way!!
The current trend is sadly in the other direction. Fascists are rising to power and the countrys get more separated. More border controllers are happening.
As an American:
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
I second this emotion
Funny - it’s the same for roughly 50% of Americans too - which is horrifying.
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Edit: sorry it was more than 50% of Americans. Fuck everyone. Goodbye.
Even as someone who clashes with Lemmy.world users every post, I highly doubt Kamala doesn’t have the vast majority of American support over Trump. It’s that people don’t vote
That doesn’t change anything, tbh.
Apparently these people are at least complacent enough to let Trump become president. And that is horrifying.
Yeah, that’s a decision
Easy to say when you live somewhere that voting is easy.
You honestly think Jim Crow restrictions on voting ended? The Supreme Court itself struck down the Voting Rights Act, and now you can have a single polling station for a county.
I really hate reading about how difficult it is to vote in some places. I live in a suburb that is far enough from the city that it borders some rural areas. The area is very white, and something like 3/4 red. And it is SO easy for me to vote. Every year I don’t even look into voting early or by mail because I can just roll into my polling location and fill out a ballot in minutes. And that polling location only has to accommodate my local neighborhood, like hundreds of people at most.
It’s wild how much work goes into disenfranchising people in more blue areas. How can so many people work towards that without having the “are we the baddies” moment? (Rhetorical question, I do have eyes and ears and am well aware of the shitty state of our culture)
Yeah, it’s crazy that it not only happens but is apparently ok.
I rolled into my voting place after work, which you’d expect to be busy and no line. We’re in a high cost of living part of a high cost of living blue state, but most definitely not white nor wealthy. I assume it’s the blue state that wants everyone to vote although I certifiably don’t know if there are places here where it’s different
Plus the system is rigged to count rural (and thus usually more conservative) votes more, so sane people have to turn out in greater numbers to keep sociopaths out of the white house
Then the people whose votes don’t matter electorally decide that the popular vote isn’t relevant, so they don’t bother.
Hey guys! If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution. And she has the numbers to do that if you guys could just vote.
If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution.
It’s adorable you think the Dems have the spine for that sort of thing.
agreed, Dem centrists havent even reached the concerned letter writing stage over a genocide. Thet are pretty far from any revolution.
My state is already called with 82% for Harris! I’m sure the final won’t be nearly that good but we’re on track to beat our previous score of 69% blue.
We’re doing what we can for popular vote
It’s that people don’t vote
Yes but also no: it’s mostly that many people either CAN’T vote or can but only with extreme exercise of patience and stamina.
Get rid of all the ridiculous voter suppression obstacles and you’ll see a dramatic uptick in voting and a corresponding shift towards Dems winning almost every election, making the GOP unviable within a decade.
Neither major party wants that, though, since the Dem leadership counts on running on fear of Republicans so that they won’t have to go further left than the owner donors are comfortable with.
If the Dems won every election on center left policies, the only option left to the Rs would be to do another party switch and go further left. That’s how we get an actual left wing party.
Honestly, I’d be cool with that
What?!? You mean we can’t virtue signal about how the Democrats have to earn our vote, not vote, and expect the party to move away from the side that actually votes?!?!?!?!?
I get so sick of fake leftists promoting behaviors that actively go against their stated goals. I guess they’re not all fake, some of them are just psycho accelerationists who would rather get ‘dictator on day one’ than let the Democrats have power because then they might think they won’t go left if they win (and won’t admit they will just keep going right like they’ve done for over half a century when they lose).
Electing a fascist dictator to own the liberals
We don’t have to wait for Republicans to want to become socialists (what the absolute fuck is this line of thinking?). We can have more then two viable political parties with a more representative electoral system like STAR voting.
How we.vote is.controlled.at the state level as well, so we don’t need a miracle to pass in congress to get these changes. In fact, some states have already passed legislation that replaced First Past The Post voting. Others are voting on it in referendums soon to!
So it’s possible, gets more people involved in the political process, and gets more votes for democrats.
we just need convince the DNC that democracy is a good thing.
It’s always that people don’t vote. Support without votes is empty wind.
I don’t know. There’s a surprising amount of stupid people here. They live in near poverty and are easily manipulated into hating others as the reason for their miserable lives. It’s really that simple in my opinion. Yes there are lots of people who don’t vote, but I’m not sure that it would change the current split if they all did vote. We need more and better education.
People that don’t bother to vote are as bad as Trump supporters. The true foundation of every autocratic regime is not fear, it’s not their real supporters, it’s people that don’t care what happens as long as it’s not happening to them (yet).
Yeah its one thing if youre a trump supporter because then you are just a sheep but i actually dont understand whats going on in the head if those who have to think about the decision
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Genuine question, but why is Trump even allowed to run? I vaguely know that there are some restrictions on who can become President (you have to be a certain age and be born in the USA iirc), how can it be that “Hasn’t been convicted for any crimes recently” isn’t a requirement?
because political dissidents who are in jail for trying to overthrow a dictatorship should also be able to run. it’s one of those unfortunate situations where this would be a good thing to have under an authoritarian government…
It probably wouldn’t be allowed under an authoritarian government though…
of course not. the american “system of checks and balances” only works if everyone plays by the rules.
Under an authorisation government though I assume the law would be rescinded, so it’s not really protecting anybody.
I mean becoming an authoritarian government to prevent an authoritarian government doesn’t really make sense
Sometimes you need to fight fire with fire
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That’s like saying we shouldn’t send anyone to prison because some of them might be innocent. You have to try your best with a system but that system has to be robust enough that it cannot be abused otherwise it will end up being abused.
If you want a system that cannot be abused then don’t remove the safeguards designed to fix mistakes.
Allowed innocents to be released from prison, and allow the disenfranchised to regain their voting rights.
This is why there is always a higher power to overrule previous decisions, and when it comes to elections there is no higher power than a majority.
It’s one of those safe-guards that democracy implements that’s currently having rather unintended consequences.
The reasoning is that taking away voting rights is far too easy to abuse, and if a majority of people agree with whomever you wanted to prevent from voting/getting elected then you’re fucked anyway.
Which, incidentally, is looking like a very real possibility right now.
That reasoning is missing a crucial part: even if you’re fucked anyway, why is it still okay to put a criminal in charge? Will it improve anything? Or do we think of the “fucked” condition very differently?
Democracy isn’t really meant to prevent something the majority wants.
If the majority wants a criminal to lead the country they’ll elect them, or someone with the same policies, or someone who promises to put the criminal in power. The end result isn’t all that different, and the latter two could be worse in some ways.
In a democracy the majority rules, and should they decide to put a lunatic in charge, well, that would be the least of your problems.
He is literally barred from running by the Constitution because he committed an insurrection. Unfortunately the House, Senate, and Supreme Court are all somewhere between 50 and 67% Christofascist traitors.
He literally isn’t. If he literally was, he wouldn’t be running. He literally should be, by a literal interpretation of the law, but that’s literally not what’s happened.
I feel like they should introduce a rule that says that if you’re more bronzer than flesh, you’re not allowed to stand.
A silver spoon though.
We really need to run a lead test on that spoon
Watch the next Canadian election and be equally dumbfounded / terrified.
Do you guys have term limits? Why is Justin running for fourth time?
No term limits.
An election must be called every 5 years at most. Sometimes an election will be a year or two after the last. The PM can call one anytime.
Technically, the PM is never elected. They’re the leader of the party. They don’t have to run. Or win.
Because he’s delusional, and he’s surrounded himself with sycophants, everyone else in the party who thinks he should’ve taken a cue from Biden and stepped down has been moved to the “backbenches”
To be fair, Justin is a prodigy at convincingly blowing hot air. It’s an essential skill for any politician, and he’s the best at it by far.
Undoubtedly, I just wish we didn’t suffer for it. He knows how we feel about him, but he only cares about how the world sees him.
Our politics are nowhere near as toxic and disturbing as the US. At least our Conservative party respects election results.
The social media chatter during the convoy was all about how jt stole the election.
We have the crazies.
For now. Morons in Alberta fly Confederate flags, they’re getting fed the same right-wing bullshit. Everyone thought the Republicans would respect the transfer of power until January 6th.
Hey, remember when the liberal party of Canada ran and won on electoral reform? And then just went “nah bro” and didn’t get anything done about it?
Oopsie daisy gee golly isnt governing hard? Not that you would know because youre not in their club and you will never get a chance to govern.
Looks like now you have to vote for the liberals again or yous gets the conservatives again. Ahhh shucks ding dang it. What a conundrum. Quite the pickle ain’t it?
Sound familiar?
Never voted liberal.
Will vote NDP again.
Yeah sounds familiar and I’ll vote Trudeau if it is needed to stop conservatives from getting in power.
Why? We are a multi party nation.
NDP is always pushed aside because people are scared of the cons.
The liberals are just as bad as the cons but in a different way.
Canada’s national identity is basically the results of the work of the NDP. Yet they are never given opportunity.
Look what happened in the States.
The fucking Antichrist now had another 4 years because the dems focused on their own interests instead of the common folk.
The liberals have ignored everyone but their faces in a mirror.
Nothing would have been accomplished if the NDP hadnt pushed them to.
Anyway, welcome to the tribulations.
People are clueless the literal hell they’ve unleashed.
At least that election season won’t last more than 7 weeks. Instead of this insane 2 year marathon the US has.
2 year marathon is underselling it, I feel like we’ve been in election season since he came down that fucking escalator
We kinda have been. The media has realized how much their viewership (and therefore ratings/money) goes up when they constantly doom and gloom, and that orange fuck has been running a reelection campaign from the moment the previous election was called.
Funny, I was watching tv and had a Canadian station on. Every other commercial break was a Pierre Putinfever ad.
In Canada, Elections campaigns can last a MAXIMUM of 50 days.
Somehow, in the past few years, the laws for campaign ads changed (thanks Crtc!) and they no longer fall into the category of a campaign.
And there are newish election laws that set out a ‘pre campaign period’ that allows further erosion of the campaign time limit restrictions.
That period - anytime after the last election.
Wtf.
Watching America edging fascism is my pastime in between watching my own country edging fascism.
Which country?
I’m currently guessing Poland or Bellarussia
You’ve guessed right — It’s Poland.
If one of your biggest issues with someone is the ‘IQ’ maybe reassess your position. he’s kinda goofy. He’s a fucking fascist, call him that.
Who are you arguing with? Definitely not op because nobody said anything about trump being goofy. And did you miss the bits about rape, racism and felony convictions?
Let’s not forget the two impeachments too
Let’s also not forget that he’s on pre-trial release in two criminal cases, and it’s not just the pre-sentencing release he’s on for cheating in the 2016 election.
Living in the thick of it and that’s how I feel 😮💨.
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That “career politician” refuses to follow the law, and stop supporting a genocide.
You mean Putin?
Wait no, they aren’t supporting a genocide. They are actively committing one.
Where? I haven’t read about a recent Russian genocide.
In the definition that they’re trying to erase Ukrainian cultural identity.
Prior to the Russian invasion, the far-right Ukrainians spent 8 years committing a genocide of ethnic Russians in the east. A number of human rights orgs called attention to it. I haven’t heard any of them accusing Russia of one.
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New York Times, Feb. 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
What law?
Leahy Law
So your only focus / concern is Israel? (if one dares to use “only” in this context)
No, that’s just the most horrible thing both Trump and Harris support. Would you like me to list all of the other policies they’re both wrong on?
Sure - enlighten me.
Huh, a post history consisting of nothing but “What did Russia ever do wrong?” and “Dems bad because genocide”. How many rubles do you get paid per post?
that doesn’t make him wrong. behaviour like this only makes us hypocrites.
the fact is biden is a genocider and harris preferred loosing the election over taking the a humane stance on this. both taking the largest donations from aipac in our election history also doesn’t look good.
Thinking that speaking out and condemning Israel would help them whatsoever shows you have literally no idea how US politics work. Let me preface this with the following: I’m well aware of the absolute atrocities going on, I don’t think the US should be supporting Israel given the shit they’re pulling, and do wish they would take action against them.
However, speaking out would be FAR more damaging than anything they’ve done so far. Do you have any idea how many Christians in the US literally think of Israel as what will bring about the second coming of Christ, and thus not supporting them would basically be seen and spun as doing Satan’s work?
The Jewish population of the US is literally double that of the Muslim population, so purely from a numbers game, any chance of even denting that support would be suicidal.
Finally, there’s the absolutely comical mainstream media bias where the very moment Harris spoke out strongly against Israel, there’d be an endless spew of how she wants to wipe Israel off the map and finish what Hitler started.
I get it, it’s fucking frustrating and tiring and disgusting what’s going on, but it’s sadly the way it has to be played at the moment, and acting like Trump being elected has any chance at improving the situation is delusional at best.
thnx but i am very much aware of how our politics works. the thing is all the evangelical and jews with pro-genocide stance were already voting for trump anyway. the anti-genocide is also a much larger demography than just muslims. many disapproved of dnc might have still voted for harris for the lesser evil reason but her supporting genocide with our tax money was just too much too ignore. then seeing the current administration full of disgusting smugs like blinken, millers just made it impossible to vote for dnc.
US foreign policy is supporting literal Nazis in Ukraine, ISIS in Syria, and genocide in Palestine.
At this point, it’s less embarrassing to be falsely accused of being Russian than to be correctly accused of being American. We’re the bad guys.
Naw, you’re not the bad guys. You’re the clowns.
The Nazis are in Russia, not Ukraine.
The Ukrainians are naming streets after and erecting statues of famous Nazis.
But wherever they are, take them out. Nazi lives don’t matter, whether Russian or Ukrainian.
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
There have been some fascist elements in Russia. The late Western Liberal darling Alexei Navalny, for one[1][2][3].
Wow, that’s some fucking cherry-picking.
Hmm, I wonder why would someone spend their time collecting headlines with a certain agenda…
russia is not only a joke country, but it’s also a terrorist state that’s held together by fascist drunks.
Hmm, I wonder why would someone spend their time collecting headlines with a certain agenda…
Upthread: https://lemmy.ml/post/22157132/14746020
russia is not only a joke country, but it’s also a terrorist state that’s held together by fascist drunks.
That sounds more like the US than any other country in the world [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
You know that I’m not clicking any link that’s posted by an .ml account, right?
Also, that sounds exactly like russia, comrade.
I can’t wait for the Russian troll farm employees to get drafted.
You’ll be waiting a long while then, because unlike NAFO trolls, that’s scarcely a thing.
- Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
- Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
- Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
- Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
- Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
- Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
- Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
- MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
- Jeff Gerth at Columbia Journalism Review on Russiagate: Editor’s Note | Part one | Part two | Part three | Part four
- Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
- Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away
Still better than one of Putin’s stooges.
