Being self centered and tribal is more the norm than ever before in my lifetime. Its going to be a very bumpy next 50 years for people who come into the world now.

I vote

yeah I got a good chuckle out of that.

It seems like vanishingly few people in the US care about the good of broader humanity anymore. Destroying the environment is fine as long as it creates jobs. Poisoning the water tables forever with fracking is fine as long as it makes cheap gas. Genocide was supported by both parties in the last election. Both parties are waving guns around even as school kids die in ever more frequent mass shootings. Its a race to the bottom and no one cares to change course.

Harris split the dems so she could take AIPAC cash, and here we all are. Give credit where its due.

Russian propaganda about Harris supporting a genocide,

So its not true then, its just propoganda?

but we recognized that there was one option (out of the four: Trump, Harris, third party, or abstention) that provided a possible chance of ending the genocide

You hoped, “we” didnt “recognize”. If Harris was going to end it she would have said so in the few days before the election. She proved pretty thoroughly that was never going to stop taking that AIPAC money.

The dnc leadership are the real clowns here. They set up this no-win hostage situation and now the hostages are dead and people want to blame everyone except Biden and Harris for it.

A third outcome would have been to demand the dems not support it by voting uncommitted and talking about it as an issue the voters cared about. Bide/Harris could have changed their mind at any time, and they decided not to. each voter had 1/400 millionth of the choice that Biden Harris had. Dems should blame them for their choices.

I know what you mean, but I think lying under racism is classism, and the trumpers are a party to service rich people. I doubt they will take care of their “base”. Did Trump do anything for the impoverished whites last time? I dont remember.

Issue polls show that everyone wildly approves of progressive policies but they hate progressive people. If you can solve that I’d vote for you for president.

You sealed the fate of the remaining people living there.

You have no data at all on that-- thats just a self serving hope to service your political ends. Biden let the zionists do whatever far right warcrimes they wanted, whenever they wanted, as much as they wanted. He didnt even defend the UN, journalists, aid workers or the Americans killed there. He continues to actively break the Leahy laws amongst many others. I am hopeful that since Trump and his followers are antisemites, maybe he wont be as bad as Biden/Harris. See? I can have self serving hopes exactly the same as you can.

All Biden/Harris offered were words that didnt match their actions and toothless red lines that were memory holed when Netenyahu laughed at them and bypassed them. Other presidents ended the same events with a simple phone call. So your painting of Biden/Harris as supportive of Palestinians is over the top ridiculous.

I’m also hopeful that some president after trump will sign onto the ICC treaty so we can ship Trump and Biden to the Hague for the prison sentence they are so richly overdue for.

that I can absolutely agree with. Its refreshing to hear someone put forth multiple reasons-- everyone wants to zero in on just 1, which is human nature, I guess.

Please take us back?

lets call it the antifascism club. antifa for short.

“nothing will fundamentally change”

Biden needs to shut up and get back to work appointing judges.

It was about Gaza for a lot of us. Shall we stop pretending it was about the economy either? Shall we stop pretending Biden had some of the lowest approval polls on record for a president going into reelection and that Harris couldnt put together any departure from Bidens ideas? While we’re at it lets all pretend Biden was one of the all time greatest presidents, regardless of his approval ratings.

Any other realities you want us to “stop pretending” about, in order to make you feel better?

Its possible she had no chance even with a perfect campaign.

I dont think thats a reasonable assumption at all.

I think you’re just not ready to admit that the campaign had any flaws at all yet.

DNC leadership should be tied to the track.

This metaphor has always been poor. Trains are locked on tracks. Harris’s campaign could have steered away from biden and his low approval rating, distance from the voters, and genocide, at any moment she wanted to. She wasnt locked on tracks. She chose to steer toward the right the entire last month of her campaign, losing a trickle of voters from her base every single day. She chose to steer away from addressing peoples complaints about reduced buying power instead of sympathizing with them. She chose to say she’d put republicans on her staff if elected, and listen to their ideas. She chose to take the AIPAC bribes. She wasnt at all locked on tracks and being forced to take that money. No one did this TO her. She did it to us.

Pretending she had no choices in order have someone else to blame for her choices is a really unfortunate takeaway, and dooms the party to continuing to think in ways that will lose. The massive unpopular – historically so even-- incumbent lost. Thats what happened.