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So Mexican dudes can’t say these things, eh? Only white dudes, and only if they’re straight?
My ‘hey, you’re being a fuck stick’ detector doesn’t discriminate, despite what my stolen meme says
And only to men, because of course there aren’t any women who hate on trans people!
Didn’t know there were so many All Lives Matter people on here, Jesus Christ.
Middle-aged white men have a lot of privilege. It’s time we used it for good.
Is this white-saviour and/or patriarchial? Yup. Does it work? Also yup.
I don’t know if we all realize this, but some shitlord being told “What the fuck is wrong you?!” cuts deeper when it comes from someone who looks like their dad, granddad, or their boss.
I’m a 47-year old white guy in a leadership position in a large company. I’ve done exactly this to both young-millenial edgelord types who think I’m in on the joke, and boomer or elder-Xers who are yelling at clouds. I will tell you that, not only does it smack down the dipshit who thought that “lol rape” or “brown people bad” was funny, it also sets the tone for everyone else in the room, and it gets word around that bigotry isn’t acceptable.
Anyone can say this, but it hits harder when it’s someone privileged. Women, LGBTQ folk and other vulnerable groups don’t have this privilege, and get shut down, and if we don’t want that to be the case, we need to speak up for them.
All of this also applies to women saying horrible things being called out by other women who they respect / think are part of their social group.
Fuck yes. This is the entire point of the post. This is not my meme, but some turds are focusing in on ‘buh only WhItE mEn?!’. No. Not just white men. White women and children too, anikan. Anybody really.
You raise a very good point about our white male privilege and the lack of ‘stopping power’ less privileged groups have when challenging bigotry.
It’s only bigotry if it’s cishetwhitemen doing it, otherwise it’s just sparkling discrimination.
I’m not in the trenches of this particular culture war, so I don’t know shit, but I really do wonder why not phrase it as “people who want to be better allies” instead of targeting a single racial group and sexual orientation. Would feel more inclusive.
I think you got it. The op was probably fixating on the biggest impact that they can see, but that’s going to vary by community and who is reading this.
Also huge shocker, diverse groups of people also need to be mindful of this shit.
It’s the reason good “DEI” policies are important. If you just start hiring people from more diverse backgrounds (good) then have them land in a toxic work environment with 0 support (bad) then they’re not likely to thrive.
Yes. Didn’t you know that straight men are the root of all problems in the world?
You need to add ‘ese’ to the end of it.
Throw 3 or 4 ‘pendejo’ in there for good measure
The only Spanish I know is from Speedy Gonzalez, so is it ok if I just chuck “Andale! Andale! Arriba! Arriba! Yii-hah!” on the end there?
What a weird thing to say
That’s a disgusting opinion to have!
I had a Mexican friend back in college and we used to joke that if you put El in front of something, it became Spanish.
So he’d say something like, “Hey, do you want to get el pizza tonight?”
And I’d say, “Sorry, I don’t speak Spanish.”
(Although normally we’d do it as an inside joke when someone couldn’t understand him because of his accent.)
Oh hey it’s that mean voice in my head
“Hey white guys, fix this so we can improve society. Also, I’m choosing the bear, fuck white men.”
This sort of thing bothers me. It seems people only want white men for what they can potentially provide, then I’m sure we’ll all go back to hating again. Thanks for giving me another new label too I guess.
This should be gender agnostic advice, not specifically for white men.
You’re experiencing the othering that many groups have for millennia and often times at the hands of us “cis white men”, instead of being mad about have empathy for your fellow humans who have had to go through this and grow.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. I’m going to react just as negatively to being disrespected as they would, because we’re all people who deserve respect.
Please react negatively to the disrespect brought against non-heterosexual and trans people.
What possibly makes you think I don’t do that
I think the reason the advice is so pointed to one group is, there’s many people who disrespect the opinion of every minority, and think they’re all in a sympathetic league against them. Being belittled by another white man baffles them and makes them worry about being disincluded.
The people you’re protecting also didn’t necessarily answer that dumb bear question.
My personal go-to is, “They’re a human being, just like you.”
“… aren’t.”
In drag’s experience, calling someone a human is a tremendously vicious insult if you have cool enough friends.
Being human doesn’t make you good. Plenty of humans are monsters. They’re not some eldritch evil that simply started existing hating, they chose this.
That makes them worse, of course… but still very very human.
Yeah, humans are fucking awful, by and large. Just look at the entirety of human history.
Sadly, they often disagree. The whole basis of bigotry is the idea that I’m human and you’re less than.
Ask them to explain the “joke” then once they finish say I didn’t find the joke funny.
As long as 1 singular person finds the joke funny it still counts as a joke.
I have a lot of jokes where my friends don’t find them funny. But there’s always a punch line, some smart wordplay, terrible pun, even if they feel like it’s too forced (smh).
Racists do know that openly saying that “minorities being abused is funny” sounds racist as fuck, so they try to avoid explaining their jokes.
I do this, but then I pick it apart to make it really painful.
“Oh, jokes just normally have a punchline and aren’t just stating something really backwards”
what’s the counter to “whatever you just dont get it 🙄”??
“it’s just not funny.”
What’s there to get? Why can’t you explain it? Feeling uncomfortable?
This one’s my go-to.
They can’t ever explain the joke, though.
That’s half the fun. Watching them squirm and try to figure out how to explain the joke without saying the -ism out loud when they realize they’re not in “safe” company.
There’s one thing I really don’t understand. And this question has no agenda except that I would like to. Also if I use the word “he” inappropriately, please for the sake of the question let that slide…
Say a woman transitions to a man. He’s a man now, right? So why is it necessary that he be called trans and someone who was born a man be called cis? I mean if the goal is equality, and it should be, why should we know or care which is the case? And the same question goes for cis/trans women.
most of the times the difference between me and a cis man is not important, so i simply say i’m a man. Sometimes the difference is important, and then i clarify i’m a trans man
90% of the time and most people i meet will have no idea i’m transgender, the other 10 are doctors, people i want to have sex with, and those i’ve talked with about trans experiences
This is the correct way to do it
Using the cis/trans labels are good when the experiences are different in some important way or it’s worth pointing out for some reason. Often it’s just better to refer to both cis and trans men as just “men” and cis and trans women as just “women”. It depends on the context. These online forums tend to be rather political or tied to identity in a way that a lot of more real life conversations won’t be. The cis and trans labels can probably be left off more often in real life than you see them used here.
It’s just useful terminology. It comes up when it comes up.
I don’t spend much time calling my girl friends trans-her, if that’s what you’re asking.
Well I would assume trans-men are smarted and don’t really need another guy to tell them. But then trans people like Caitlyn Jenner exist and she is dumb as shit. She has got to be the single most hated trans person ever.
good question! You used the correct pronoun. Even more correct: that man was Assigned Female At Birth. He was always a man. You’re right, the point is exactly that it shouldn’t matter, just like bi/homo/hetero, or nonbinary/female/male. But as long as rightists unfortunately make it matter, we need to talk about it.
My go-to is “Why do you think that is an okay thing to say?”
I told a coworker they were “full of shit” then repeated that when they said “what?”
Pfff. Everytime my father in law goes on a racist diatribe I tell him, “Mustafa is what now?”. He is my Egyptian brother in law and the kindest and hospitable person I know.
I also very dislike my father in law, used to be a somewhat good guy, then he got old and racist.
Chronic lead poisoning at an early age is a hell of a drug.
Just yesterday at work I heard some coworker telling some nightmarish stuff (for the other person of his story) and laughing as if it was fun. Problem is, all other dudes were laughing with him.
“Oh damn, didn’t know it was hate on people for being different day.”
“Lighten up, we’re just having a bit of fun”
Now what?
“What’s fun about it?”
Because cis men are the only bigoted people in the world……fuck off.
Simmer down, bronco.
“I won’t let you talk to them that way” is a bad one that doesn’t belong on this list. It implies you’re in control of them, which you’re not. It’s essentially a bluff, and if they call it, you need to be able to beat them up.
To add more good phrases to this list, the phrases need to imply that the person still has their own agency (because they do), and that it’s just a dipshit way to use that agency. The other phrases are great.
That why calling out people for being weird worked
friend says fucked up shit, asks if you agree
“What? No. Shit no! I believe you get your ass kicked for saying shit like that.”
Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays
Nah. Don’t wait for them to ask. Tell them they are being an asshat. It’s good for them
Don’t believe that was in this fine piece of cinema. Ass Clown on the other hand…
Treat them like the printer ¯_(ツ)_/¯
“What the fuck dude, you’re talking like there’s no paper in tray two after I just filled it. Fuck off!”
PC LOAD LETTER
What the fuck does that mean?!
“Do you hear yourself right now?”
I would never treat people the way I feel towards printers! Hateful, vile things…
Why specificly cis men? Seems like scapegoating a minority to me?
Bcs we have power traditions (dead people) and hate groups gave us.
Why not use it as we see fit?
It is technically a minority, as less than 50% of people are cis white men. But it’s not a small minority.
Technically correct is the best kind of correct.
Or is it speaking truth to power considering who’s in charge of fucking everything?
scapegoating the ones in charge? Minority?
please explain to the rest of us how heterosexual men who have identified as male their entire life are a minority lmao
Well men are a minority by definition. As in their are more women. Thats the definition of minority.
