• Smoogs@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    It is always suspicious when someone who claims doing shrooms/experienced something first hand is when they fully understood empathy for someone else.

    Ok so like you had understood all that deeper nuance and meaning that would require months if not years of cognitive self work to identify struggle and develop respect and compassion for those around you and you mean to say the ONLY thing holding you back was observation?

    Like you couldn’t even take the half step to imagine it even for a second on your own?

    It’s like when someone claims their behaviour and emotions are just ‘out of control’ leading to acting abusive to their loved ones but then knows how to put on a face when company comes over.

    • sunflowercowboy@feddit.orgEnglish
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      11 days ago

      It’s not so much about understanding empathy. It’s basically poisoning yourself, having a shit time, such a shit time that they end up being able to appreciate basic things. Not just in themselves but in others.

      It’s hard to do things, it’s hard to focus, and your voice becomes louder with raw emotions and low inhibition.

      So you realize how amazing people as a being are, you appreciate everything that makes life work.

      However it’s fleeting, rapidly fleeting. It is a moment. You have to learn from it and detach from it.

    • Kairos@lemmy.today
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      11 days ago

      You should get a sober companion and try shrooms. It more or less overclocks your brain. But because brains are relational, overclocking effectively means making more connections (observations)

      • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
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        11 days ago

        I wouldn’t call it overclocking so much as changing the way you think, and making it easier to separate thought from emotion. Or at least that was an observation I made about what was different. I could think about things that were normally very emotionally charged without those same emotions getting in the way, kinda like being able to skip the stages of grief when thinking about things many people are in denial about without even thinking about it.

        I also believe that it reduces the barrier between the conscious and subconscious, allowing more things the subconscious “figured out” to bubble up to conscious thought. “Figured out” in quotes because while the subconscious is powerful, it is not infallible. There might also be a sense of connection between the “a-ha!” feeling of figuring out something profound and random thoughts going through your conscious mind, making normal or dumb shit seem important and groundbreaking in the moment.

        • Grail (capitalised)@aussie.zoneEnglish
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          12 days ago

          I’ve never heard of Hyperianism before.

          Hyperianism is a fringe belief system created by “Morgue”, who has claimed to have come into contact with “secret societies” that revealed the means to bring “timeless knowledge to the public” so that the world can reach “the next step of evolution” and “become whole.”[1] Morgue argues that material reality is a myth and that we all exist in a shared dream in which one can manipulate and control.[2] This belief system is based on the notion of “Ontological Mathematics” which is described as its “rational core”.[3]

          Hyperianism claims to be an ideology based around logic and reason (though how hyperians often apply these tools doesn’t speak favorably to their competence), and see their movement as anti-scientism, anti-new age, and anti-religious. Ironically Hyperianism itself may be just as problematic as the ideologies and belief systems it rejects, even if that is not immediately obvious to Morgue himself. Hyperianism has been critiqued by TJ Kirk.

          Oh, okay. Well, the foundation for soulist knowledge definitely isn’t any kind of secret. Sociologists and psychologists have been saying consensus reality is socially constructed for a long time. Soulism is just the application of this common scientific knowledge to the political sphere.

          We do believe material reality is a myth and that the truth of the world can be controlled. For example, money only works because everyone chooses to believe it has value. The fundamental systems of our social world are powered by buy-in from the public. If people stopped believing, they would dissolve in an instant. What we need to do is understand that power and build better social constructs that are actually useful, like medicines and resilient social structures.

          Soulists don’t value reason over empiricism. We believe various epistemological methods are best used together, playing to the strengths of each. Even mysticism has its uses, it can help us interpret our desires. We’re also not anti-religious in the slightest. Religion is just formalised belief, and controlling our own beliefs is the key to controlling our world.

          Does that sound like what you were worried about?

          • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
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            11 days ago

            I will admit, it does line up with things I see on many drugs and in deep meditations…

            But if reality is thought and idealism is closer to truth than materialism, then why can’t I make the world suck less by changing how I think about it?

            • Grail (capitalised)@aussie.zoneEnglish
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              11 days ago

              You can make the world suck less by changing how you think about it. But psychology has rules, and you need to operate within the bounds of those rules. Your brain isn’t designed to change how it thinks about everything overnight, it’s designed for consistency.

              In order to change our thinking more efficiently, we need to develop and implement psychological technologies. Like drugs, meditation, magic spells, and social constructs.

              You can’t cure depression in a day by just choosing to think positively. But you can cure depression by taking SSRIs and engaging in CBT with a professional over months or years. Likewise, changing the world is going to take a lot of knowledge, a lot of wisdom, and a lot of work.

                • Grail (capitalised)@aussie.zoneEnglish
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                  11 days ago

                  Soulists also support an anarcho-communist revolution in which the working class rise up and secure the means of production by use of violence, immediately dismantling the state and allocating the means of production to various communes, unions, and guilds. Society will then be structured by the principle of “from each according to ability, to each according to need”, with money and class abolished in favour of community and compassion.

                  What makes soulism distinct from regular anarcho-communism is the recognition of reality as a means of control used by the state and Capital. We won’t just take back the physical means of production, we intend to take back the means of defining reality and controlling belief. The revolution must be both practical and spiritual. Fixed notions of gender, species, and religion must be abolished, to make way for a subjective multiverse where otherkin, enbies, pagans, plural systems, and people who are better described by no term other than simply “mad” can live as their authentic selves in an accepting society.

                  The colonial mindset of destroying indigenous realities by “re-educating” indigenous children to destroy their connection to language, land, family, and tradition is a genocide. And liberalism and materialism offer no antidote. “We respect your right to have a wrong religion” is bullshit, and that’s how our current society seems to address issues of religious freedom and indigenous culture. True justice is believing in the myths of all cultures at once, internalising them all as genuinely true, save for the exclusionary parts.

                  We must recognise the worldviews of other religions as worlds in themselves that we can visit, and experience on the terms of their own experts, and only then can we understand them politically and offer solutions that present true justice. There is no justice in forcing everyone to live in the same reality. The diversity of human and otherkin experience is too much for one reality and it will always be too much. We must take away the limits of expecting everyone to live in an objective universe, and free people up to choose the nature of the universe they want to live in.

    • MutilationWave@lemmy.world
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      12 days ago

      Mushrooms could help you think you’re more than a bag of neurons piloting a poorly evolved bone and meat mech, or they could help you think that that’s exactly what you are. It doesn’t matter either way. They’re fantastic and I highly recommend them. Take them in a place you feel safe with a person or people you trust. You can go in with intention to learn or change things about yourself, or you can go in just seeing where it takes you. I recommend stopping all mental health medicines for three days before ingesting. If you can’t handle three days without mental health meds then you probably shouldn’t take mushrooms.

      I recommend taking an eighth of a dry ounce for your first try. You can always try more another time if you want.

      Oh and you develop near immediate immunity to the mental effects of psilocybin. Don’t think you can eat half now then eat half later. The second half won’t work. In fact you’ll be highly resistant to them for a couple of weeks at least. This is a blessing because you can’t get addicted!

      • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
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        11 days ago

        I have a bar of shroom chocolate I’m saving for a weekend, maybe I could try listening to the Monroe Institute Tapes on them. I just want a soul.

    • big_fat_fluffy@leminal.spaceEnglish
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      12 days ago

      Psychedelics is nice but meditation is better.

      Gentle, manual, comprehensive, ceilingless.

      Neo rises from his coffin.

      • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
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        11 days ago

        I’ve heard them described as the “cure for atheism”

        That’s yet to happen for me. Last time I pondered on them I saw that everything is recycled, but not in a return to status quo… It’s like… when things are recycled we keep the original thing in some kind of shared memory while the things that originally made it are put to new purpose, a purpose that retains elements of what it was before.

        Like homeopathy’s idea that water “remembers” is correct, but not for medicine or water, but on a smaller level that’s more subatomic. I was trying to find more but my boyfriend wouldn’t shut the fuck up so eventually I had to give up…

        I need to trip alone in a deep meditation.

    • Aolley@lemmy.world
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      11 days ago

      give those monroe institue gateway tapes a spin, I am more than my physical body because, etc

  • bss03@infosec.pub
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    10 days ago

    Yeah, inner work was my intention last time I tripped, but instead I ended up vegging out and getting annoyed at my trip mates. It was a waste of time and materials.

    I don’t know if there will be a next time to try to do better.

        • MutilationWave@lemmy.world
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          11 days ago

          That is correct but it is very dissimilar to psilocybin. It has addictive potential for one. I’ve never tried it so I’m no expert. I hope it succeeds as a therapeutic. I think all drugs should be legal and regulated though

      • Aolley@lemmy.world
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        11 days ago

        the book ’ reality switch technologies’ goes into some detail about how different drugs influence our precepetion of reality and what it might be bound in. I think you would like it

      • Saleh@feddit.org
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        11 days ago

        Ketamine first and foremost is a dissociative anesthetic. Ketamine is also having psychedelic effects. It has been used for “spiritual” purposes long before it became common as a “party drug”. Also every drug is a “party drug”. Finally Ketamine is in research for treating depression, anxiety, addiction and other issues, with some results looking quite promising.

        • MutilationWave@lemmy.world
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          11 days ago

          All fair. But it’s very unlike psilocybin in many ways. For instance it has potential for addiction. I’ve never tried it myself so I’m not any kind of expert on K.

          I hope it succeeds as a therapeutic. I think all drugs should be legal and regulated though

  • maniii@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    For the love of yourself please watch recent chubbyemu story on YouTube and pls understand what you are doing before doing it.

    Shrooms are very random and medicine should be treated with utmost caution and respect.

  • Zement@feddit.nl
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    11 days ago

    Shrooms? I love em! Lemon Tek, let’s go!

    But for Mental health it’s pseudo healing. Maybe it helps for a few weeks, but issues are issues, shrooms help to isolate them but not to solve them. Get therapy.

    • MutilationWave@lemmy.world
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      11 days ago

      Depending on the person’s psyche and the severity of their trauma, one trip can cure a person forever as someone was saying in this thread. That’s not common though.

      I like that people do therapy. I’ve tried it myself but it wasn’t for me. Hard ass Psilocybin trips help me though. I don’t know if the DMT during helps but it sure is fun.

      I disagree with you, lightly. I think many people can work out their issues with mushrooms, or perhaps mushroom therapy, although from what I’ve seen what they call a therapeutic dose is a joke.

      Oh shit forgot to say- lemon-tek is the only way! Lemon tek a quarter, keep a DMT vape in your pocket if you can remember what a pocket is, and just go wild. My favorite.

      • shneancy@lemmy.world
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        11 days ago

        my first (lsd) trip taught me how to establish boundaries and tell people “no” overnight, i didn’t even intend for that to happen. i was on the edge of ego death, saw myself looking at myself inside of my mind, my other self said “love yourself more” and that was it???

        it’d have taken months if not years of therapy to achieve, and a funny little paper i got from my friend for free fixed it with a single sentence, on top of all the fun i had that night

      • ummthatguy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        12 days ago

        Similar to the gin and tonic notion:

        It is a curious fact, and one to which no-one knows quite how much importance to attach, that something like 85 percent of all known worlds in the Galaxy, be they primitive or highly advanced, have invented a drink called jynnan tonyx, or gee-N’N-T’N-ix, or jinond-o-nicks, or any one of a thousand variations on this phonetic theme. The drinks themselves are not the same, and vary between the Sivolvian ‘chinanto/mnigs’ which is ordinary water served just above room temperature, and the Gagrakackan ‘tzjin-anthony-ks’ which kills cows at a hundred paces; and in fact the only one common factor between all of them, beyond the fact that their names sound the same, is that they were all invented and named before the worlds concerned made contact with any other worlds.

  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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    11 days ago

    certified “have you tried working on your inner self” moment.

    Explanation: sometimes, mental health problems don’t only come from internal misfits, but simply from enormous pressure from the environment. (such as in my case.) it’s important to take care of externalities, not just seek the problem within yourself.

    • GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world
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      11 days ago

      “Your life isn’t shitty, the System that we live our lives in is”

      • Wayne Gretzki

        • Michael Scott

        -Anonymous

    • Donkter@lemmy.world
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      11 days ago

      This post is making fun of people who think they’re fixing their life by having “epiphanies” after taking magic mushrooms multiple times a week and then not doing anything about those epiphanies when they’re sober.

      Source: I used to do that

      • andros_rex@lemmy.world
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        11 days ago

        You’ll see it in trust fund kids back from festivals. They learn that other humans have feelings, which is really mind blowing, but as far as changing behavior in any way…