• chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    The place to protest this isn’t Google.

    We need to have everyone propose a name change to the official body in charge of place names, the US Board on Geographic Names.

    Unfortunately, one of the rules on name changes is “Changing a name merely to correct or re-establish historical usage is not in and of itself a reason to change a name.”

    On the other hand, they also say “The most important consideration is local use and acceptance,” so the sooner we act, the better.

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    11 days ago

    Don’t forget Microsoft with Bing maps. At least Google made this just for US users, they made it for everyone.

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    11 days ago

    I was curious about Open Street Maps, since anyone can edit it.

    Gulf of America comes up specifically as an official name for US, and there is also a note about how if you change the English name without agreement in the discussion then it will be reverted:

    screen shot showing Open Street Map tags as described above, including the statement "Please see (link to discussion) before editing the name of this feature. Undiscussed changes will be reverted."

    Discussion is here: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/gulf-of-america-gulf-of-mexico/124571

    It seems the general consensus is that the US have that as an official name, but it’s not the common English name so name:en stays as the Gulf of Mexico.

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      Of course. The name written on the map is what was keeping that huge inflation there on the US at 2%/y.

      • 𝕾𝖕𝖎𝖈𝖞 𝕿𝖚𝖓𝖆@lemmy.world
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        In all seriousness, periods of marked deflation are generally not economically prosperous times. The economy deflated more than 20% between 1929 and 1936. But we don’t call that period in time “The Really Cool American Price Drop.” It goes by another name I can’t think of right now, and it’s making me feel greatly depressed.

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          No, we should also be fighting for lower prices.

          It’s just that the way we achieve them is with price controls. Stop letting profiteers take as much as they want.

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      Funnily enough at a macro scale the economy was in super good shape as trump took office with all economic indicators pointing upward. Wages grew by over 4% year over year while inflation was less than 3% meanwhile the price increases that were seen over 2021-2023ish were either rolled back or otherwise ceased being increased. Trump could literally do nothing, let the existing trends play out over 4 years and retire with an economy worth bragging about.

      Obviously he’s not going to and is enacting explicitly inflationary policies, so we’re likely to see more hyperinflation within the next few years

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    First off fuck trump

    But my hot take is that google should show it as gulf of america and remove holidays from the calendar. Google should be a source of fact and the fact is the Republican administration has officially renamed the gulf of Mexico and removed those as federally recognized holidays.

    Google shouldn’t be “protesting”, the blame here is on the US government. I dont want Google’s “opinion” on things when I search. Be mad at Google when they also refuse to do black history doodles on their front page (like, right now I think)

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        And yet he does with no consequences because of the Republican administration (and frankly, the non-progressive Democrats). It’s not Google’s job to be a check on the government. If the US government department that manages natural landmark names has that set in their records, that’s what should be reported.

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          So your entire point is discredited and all you can do is point fingers. By having even an ounce of self respect and just saying no would help end all this. Google and Apple are not beholden to this administration unless they want to be.

          By your logic we should all load ourselves onto the trains willingly because they said so and, after all, we don’t want to get “political”

          The real solution is to resist and not roll over. Pretending that act is anything other than resignation is s denying the truth of what is happening.

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            You’re fighting the wrong enemy. Google is correct to use things officially published as fact - they are not the problem.

            The problem is Trump doing things where he doesn’t have authority, the other branches rolling over to let him usurp their Constitutional authority. That’s the problem. That’s what needs to be resisted. If there’s a way to define the locals who have naming priority, they have standing to fight

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              Google is wrong here and no one is forcing them to do anything. They are now part of the problem along with anyone else conceding to this madman.

              I do agree Aotus is the source, but everyone who goes along with it shares the blame and more importantly the shame.

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            What are you talking about? I said that google should show what is fact, not their opinion. Pretending the US’s official name for the body of water is the gulf of Mexico is denying the truth of what is happening. Other people outside the US report that the gulf hasn’t been renamed for their location, this is a US problem.

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              Google should show what they think is right, stop giving them a free pass just because you want to. Companies have long resisted decisions issued by governments. Google has gone to court to fight many times but this does not even rise to that level.

              The fact is this is the Gulf of Mexico and we should not be renaming bodies of water on someone’s racist whims. We may just have to respectfully disagree here.

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                Can you link me one time the government made a change google didn’t agree with, google continued operating as normal against the change, and challenged that change in court? That change being anything other than a new regulation that attempted to restrict some aspect of Google’s business?

                The only thing I’m able to find is essentially anti-trust lawsuits related to google search being the default in iOS and Android. I’m basically looking for any legal challenge google “resisted” for some societal good.

                (Edit: this isn’t like a challenge to your argument, I would just like to be better informed to see if google actually has partook in some sort of activism against the government other than fighting to continue their terrible business practices)

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                  The most obvious example would be the recent antitrust litigation.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Google_LLC_(2023)

                  But I think that falls into fighting to continue their terrible business practices.

                  The second is Google refusing warrants due to inadequacies. Google has stated they no longer respond to geofencing warrants although I am having a hard time finding data to back up this statement.

                  The third is a couple different cases involving private parties and state governments suing Google over violating privacy and illegally collecting data. Once again though, this probably falls under you definition of terrible business practices.

                  The fourth is Google’s transparency reports that expose request from the government. They have certainly received government pushback from this but I can’t really quantify this in any meaningful way.

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    11 days ago

    No, don’t use the sexy meme template for this change. It’s just a dumb dick measuring move. It doesn’t deserve that honor.

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    That singlehandedly caused me to begin actively moving away from Google starting yesterday. Gonna be a pain in the ass, but I’m working on it.

    My interim e-mail solution is mailbox.org. Trying a 30-day free trial and annoyed at having to pay, but fuck it. It’s cheap. Like $1-$3/month. Will see.

    I’m assuming OpenStreetMaps has an app and plan to check today.

    I’ve started decluttering/backing up my Drive and Photos so that I can unsubscribe from their recently-changed shit subscription structure without losing essential files.

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      11 days ago

      Organic Maps is the recommendation I’ve been seeing for OSM. I’ve been using it for a week or so and have been liking it so far.

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      Same, really want to switch, and I think after finishing this project I’m done with windows and Google. Not gonna lie, I dread switching agenda, drive, mail, maps… A lot of fucking useful stuff that I use for everything, but I don’t just want to think they are too big to fail. Fuck their behaviour.

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      I’m in a similar situation. Not to make the switch harder on you, but someone here posted a page with a bunch of reviews of email providers, calling out things like cost, privacy practices, and cooperation with the federal government. Here’s their entry on mailbox.org. You might want to read through some of them while you’re still in the free trial.

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      11 days ago

      Random Instagram post from one of the women. No sexuality in the original context. We all just see what we wanna see 🤷‍♂️

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        I question that because I remembered reading articles that had discussions with the photographer from the before times. Alas, the internet is dead and every search result for Eugeny Hramenkov is either copy/pasted AI mouth gargle or articles talking about how “Elon Musk used the meme!!” (fucking christ I wouldn’t put it past the dude that all these sites are his own promotional shit). It’s so completely sad to have had the internet information age for just a small hopeful glimpse before it all came completely crumbling down.