I was gonna title this “And here I sit so patiently waiting to find out what price you have to pay to get out of going through all these things twice” and then write “Stuck inside of America with the fascism blues again” here, but I’m not sure if that comes off like gloating and that’s honestly the last thing I want to do this morning.
why can’t people see that we will never go left till we go far enough right.
Because “After Trump, Our Turn” doesn’t seem to have much historical evidence of success.
yeah I feel like there is this myth of huge pushes left and right but its pretty much been between right and center.
Is this not far enough?
apparently not. Don’t worry because once things get bad enough we will have wonderful revolution which will take us to a new paradise social order. Just like how the nazis were stopped.
The Nazis were stopped by the most powerful military force the world has ever seen. You know, the one that trumpler just became Commander and Chief of once again.
I thought it was sarcasm, but couldn’t be sure because I see genuine statements like that on this platform quite frequently.
The Nazis were stopped by
The Red motherfucking Army. Put some fucking respect on their name.
The people history will remember as Nazis winging around trying to blame everything but themselves as Nazis.
This irony is goddamn delicious.
You’re literally no worse than MAGA. Go to hell.
Normalizing republican extremism is about the only thing modern neoliberalism has accomplished, and likely why the same billionaires donate to both.
They want the return of feudual society, they just know the only way they get it is if the only other option is a shit sandwich.
So we’re not downvoting anything even slightly critical of the democrats anymore?
Good. Because they fucked this one up.
There is a tiger on the lose. Let’s blame the people who are against caging the tiger in the first place.
is this the random andy streamer guy ? why should I give a shit about what he thinks
While trump thanks Dana White and Elon Musk and Adin Ross, democrat are refusing to listen to someone represent the new generation of political motivated democrat voters. Then wonder why they didn’t get the votes.
you dont need to know him and he can be anyone on the internet, it doestnt matter, what he is arguing is still very accurate.
Because he’s fucking right. Maybe the Democrats should start listening to people who are fucking right for once.
And win with people excited for the candidate? Never. Milquetoast saves money and being in opposition brings in even more.
Why try to codify Roe v. Wade when you can use it for funding?
Why would being in the opposition bring in money?
They get more donations to fight back than they do in office. When Clinton lost, they got more donations for Biden.
When Roe V. Wade was overturned, they got a massive injection of cash and used it in campaign outreach, so they get money from saying they’ll protect women’s rights but don’t need to unless the money slows down.
I went to check Reddit for the first time in a while. It is interesting to see the difference in reaction on Lemmy and Reddit. At least Lemmy is admitting that running a Republican campaign with Lez Cheney might not have been the best idea.
There is absolutely zero self reflection on Reddit. All blame lies on “racist imigrants”.
On Reddit Democrats had the perfect economic plan. Forget Kamala failing to secure the Unions. No teamsters endorsement. Forget the railroad strike shutdown. Forget massive inflation. The genocide is never even mentioned on Reddit. Kamala was 100% perfect in every single way.
No mention of the massive increase of young white voters for Trump either
Democrats will lose again in 2028. They vehemently refuse to learn from any of this. Instead of doing anything progressive they will say everyone is a racist and move right.
I switched my registration party from Democrat to Independent today. Tired of this shit. Enough is enough I’m voting my values from now on.
Speaking as a hungarian having lived under Orbán’s rule for 16 years and counting, don’t worry; after this point you will have either no elections or they will be a pointless mockery only.
The fact that you’re registered is wild to me. One of the few things my state has right is having open primaries imo
Where is this “muscular border policy”? I’m not seeing it anywhere! 😂
Every interest group in the Democratic party after a loss: “See? It’s because [Candidate] didn’t agree with ME enough!”
Maybe if they did your idea the loss would have been worse.
The number prove what they were saying is correct.
There are no numbers that say being less moderate would have won the election for Harris.
I can’t believe the bullshit with the Cheneys. When a war criminal like Dick Cheney endorses you, you disavow them.
Harris even got endorsed by Richard Spencer, who’s a white nationalist, and she didn’t say shit! What was she thinking? “I’ve got the neocon vote, now maybe I’ll get the Nazi vote”?
I can’t believe the bullshit with the Cheneys. When a war criminal like Dick Cheney endorses you, you disavow them.
And lemmy’s centrists were so goddamned happy that Cheney endorsed. They finally got the party to move so far to the right that they got Dick Cheney’s endorsement. That was when they considered it a win and they didn’t care about what happened after.
“Stein got a Nazi to endorse her even though she disowned it, she’s horrid.”
“Harris openly loved Cheney and didn’t say anything Spencer, she’s the the most progressive person to ever run!”
Meanwhile the far left was cutting their own throats by handing the election to the fascists, thanks a lot.
I mean I would love to believe there are trns of millions of silent far left protest abstentions, but the fact of the matter is seventy million plus motherfuckers actively went for the overt fascists. Tens of millions more didn’t care enough to at least go third party. This was a turnout problem, not a protest vote problem.
Or maybe it’s a fascist problem. It’s not just the US either. My latest thinking is that microplastics are eroding empathy in human brains. May sound crazy, but put it next to some of Kennedy’s ideas…
Yeah it is definitely a fascist problem.
Okay, and how do you get voters to turn out?
Well the argument being made here is that the campaign’s strategy actively depressed turnout.
So not doing normalizing the opposition and implementing the policies your voting base tends to oppose.
And when you point it out, they will call you fascist and all sorts of other names too. Shame on them. Leopards gonna feast.
The people don’t want any more of the status quo, and Trump offered something that wasn’t part of the status quo. The democrats could have offered a left-wing populist alternative but instead the democrats ran someone who was status quo. Someone who was “far left” would have been way more successful than Harris.
I don’t see why you would think that. Someone like Bernie was too radical for the American left to win a primary, no way he would be considered more appealing to America at large in the general.
It’s frustrating because Biden/Harris are too moderate to capture far left voters and too radical to wrestle the center from a populist like Trump. And it seems many disenfranchised voters are content to stay at home because better isn’t good enough. I’m not trying to absolve them of responsibility, but I genuinely think Democrats could make great strides if the left was as good at banding with each other as the right. Instead, the Democrats lost the popular vote for the first time in twenty years.
Jumping the gun a bit on that post mortum analysis? Put up the data or shut the fuck up you wanker. This is 100% an establishment fuck up, and you are as cognitively twisted as any MAGA freak.
Maybe it was the Dems buddying up to the incredibly unpopular bush admin. Or using serial SAer bill Clinton on the campaign. Or calling trump a fascist then moving to the right on almost every issue so really they were just offering fascism-lite.
But no, blame the lefties who had no significant impact on the election and have been constantly telling you that the campaign is doomed and that it should change course if the stakes are really as high as you say
Even if that were true, the Dems lost because of their strategy which was based on not giving anything to the left.
It didn’t work for Hilary, what in the hell made you think it’d work for Harris?
Hey! Don’t forget that it also alienated anyone who is even moderately humanist!
Democrats will have two years to build their reputation as Vocally (but ineffectually) opposing Donald Trump.
But I think the bigger question is whether they actually do that. I can see a lot of Dems turning coat after this and just going along with Trump like they went along with Bush in 2001.
oh good, it’s hasan, my favorite (not terroristic propaganda spreading) “political” commentator
So he’s saying his fake progressive base stayed home? How is that different to every other election? Appealing to moderates is going to swing the vote more than any attempt to appeal to his psychotic fans who don’t even vote in the first place.
All these “this was important to me so it’s the reason we lost” takes should be ignored. Especially from a moron like Hasan. The guy was saying it’s possible he’ll get deported because Trump won.
if they went out and voted they would have nothing to bitch about, ergo, problem solved. They’re issues voters, they club themselves over the head to make a point, to themselves. Because apparently that’s relevant for some reason.
Til a few hundred words by rando dude I’ve never heard of is an “autopsy”.
Less than 50 words!
But it felt like a Harry Potter book to him 😮💨
Harry Potter is liberal political scripture.
What the actual fuck, man? (Yes, you write like either a man or ai)
Oof I was just giving the benefit of the doubt since I didn’t feel like counting. What a real absolute take down that 50-word autopsy was.
…Is this somehow a big block of incomprehensible text to you, or are you somehow looking at a different image? It’s a tweet.
Ermm…yes? I honestly can’t make the connection between your response and my message. No idea what you’re getting at.
If this is a big block of text “from weirdo I’ve never heard of” then what is a book to you?
I think you need to re-read what I actually wrote with a clear head. I genuinely don’t know how to help you but you seem to be mad at me for something you very clearly misunderstood. You appear to be laboring under the idea I said almost the exact opposite of what I actually said.
Isn’t it amazing that both the female democratic candidates for president in our history have campaigned with war criminals and then lost. I wonder if there’s a lesson there?
Famed pacifist Hillary Clinton
Poor thing was under sniper fire one time.
