• wolfshadowheart@leminal.space
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    3 hours ago

    Back when I was in college, people didn’t like fluoride because it calcifies the pinneal gland. I assume that rhetoric has only been further exaggerated over the years

    • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world
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      2 hours ago

      It does do this. However so does ageing, low sunlight exposure, low altitude, ethnicity, sex, nutrition, neuro-divergence, cell phone use, EM fields… you get the idea.

  • Heavybell@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    The people who need to hear this sadly would not believe that too much water can kill you even if you showed them someone die from it, I fear. I’d also be shocked if they read “water poisoning” and didn’t think of poisoned water.

    • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
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      3 hours ago

      I didn’t know this was a thing when I was younger, but not young enough to not be classified as a moron.

      Drank about 7-8 litres of water in 3 hours without going to the bathroom as a contest against a work colleague. Suffice to say I started feeling a little off on the way home, even after going to the bathroom. Years later I finally learned you can drown yourself from drinking too much and the symptoms were eerily close to what I experienced that night.

    • protist@mander.xyz
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      9 hours ago

      I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

      Second time I got to post this today, unfortunately because it’s almost ceased being satire.

    • ryedaft@sh.itjust.works
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      3 hours ago

      This is a better argument than the one in the post. No one is worried about acute toxicity of fluoride but rather long term. But it’s not long term toxic, doesn’t accumulate in the body, and is only present in very low amounts in water. However it should be enough to use fluoridated toothpaste to get the positive effects.

    • Lowpast@lemmy.world
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      8 hours ago

      I don’t understand your point.

      Nobody drinks the ocean. Fluoride is barely active topically. Most humans rarely if at all swim in the ocean.

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        3 hours ago

        Talking about the ocean is odd, but there are towns in the UK (and most countries I’d assume?) where the natural level of fluoride is higher than the concentration they aim for when adding fluoride. I think that’s a pretty good argument for it being safe - the people of Hartlepool have been drinking fluoride rich water for 13 centuries and don’t have any noticeable issues compared to the rest OF County Durham.

      • Hamartia@lemmy.world
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        3 hours ago

        Yeah. It’s not an entirely salient point. It does, however, underline the ubiquitous nature of fluorine.

        The biggest source of Flourine in the environment is just the normal weathering of rocks that contain it. The biggest of the anthropogenic sources include brick production, phosphate fertiliser application and coal burning.

        The minor amount added to drinking water really wouldn’t be the biggest issue if it was as toxic as it’s made out to be.

  • FUBAR@lemm.ee
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    13 hours ago

    The question about this is that the same can be said about lead. Do we want to consume that?

  • zephorah@lemm.ee
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    13 hours ago

    Next headline will be how fluoride contributes to autism and it will have just as much evidence as the vaccine bit does. How is this even a thing? Is ground zero on this RFK?

    Meanwhile, all the people who can’t afford dentists will have even worse teeth going forward. Make America’s teeth British again.

    • Robust Mirror@aussie.zone
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      12 hours ago

      Well look at the statistics:

      Fluoride:

      • Water fluoridation in the United States began in the 1940s
      • By 1949, nearly 1 million Americans were receiving fluoridated tap water
      • In 1951, the number jumped dramatically to 4.85 million people
      • By 1952, the number nearly tripled again to 13.3 million Americans
      • In 1954, the number exceeded 20 million people
      • In 1965 an additional 13.5 million Americans gained access to fluoridated water.
      • By 1969, 43.7% of Americans had access to fluoridated tap water.
      • In 2000, approximately 162 million Americans (65.8% of the population served by public water systems) received optimally fluoridated water
      • 2006: 69.2% of people on public water systems (61.5% of total population)
      • 2012: 74.6% of people on public water systems (67.1% of total population)

      Autism:

      • First recognised in the 1940s
      • During the 1960s and 1970s, prevalence estimates were approximately 0.5 cases per 1,000 children.
      • Prevalence rates increased to about 1 case per 1,000 children in the 1980s.
      • 2000: 1 in 150 children
      • 2006: 1 in 110 children
      • 2014: 1 in 59 children
      • 2016: 1 in 54 children
      • 2020: 1 in 36 children

      Seems pretty clear cut to me.

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        They need to do stuff like this often in HS to show students how you can bullshit truths and make its facade of truth feel legit.

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        Damn, I guess fluoridated water also then caused computers, world population growth and the eradication of polio.

        Idk if this is a troll post or this person never heard of the fact that correlation does not equal causation.

      • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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        Not sure if you’re being sarcastic but if not, then I’m about to blow your fucking mind

        STOP EATING RICE!

        NAME YOUR DAUGHTER SARAH, IT’S THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE THE AMAZON! AND WHATEVER YOU DO…

        …DO NOT NAME THEM TRISTEN

        If we shut down flights to Antarctica, inflation would’ve been solved yesterday.

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        12 hours ago

        This is, and I don’t say this lightly, one of the dumbest conclusions I’ve ever seen someone jump to.

        Might as well say that fluoride in the water caused software developers, lmao.

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        12 hours ago

        Let’s ignore the better diagnosis processes and just take two trending upward statistics and make a broad correlation and call it fact.

  • affiliate@lemmy.world
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    13 hours ago

    i know this guy has a fancy degree and everything, but is he really as reliable a source as rfk junior? you don’t need fluoride when you have an army of worms ready to eat any kinds of bacteria that may enter your system.

    • Brickhead92@lemmy.world
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      13 hours ago

      And both of these people telling me about fluoride in water are both experts in their field. One an expert toxicologist, and the other an expert liar. Now I don’t know what to believe.

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    14 hours ago

    Before even wondering about the health effects, we should ask ourselves whether it actually achieves the desired goal. I doubt that.

    If it doesn’t, we don’t even need to wonder about safety; we’ll just stop burning money.

    • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
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      14 hours ago

      I asked myself and I had no idea.

      I then looked to experts who make a career of studying theses things and are held to standards and peer review. There is a Cochrane review on this topic just updated last month. The answer is that yes it does help reduce childhood caries at least a little bit.

  • MidnightPocket [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    14 hours ago

    I had the misfortune of eavesdropping on a conversation recently where some guy who was working in a bourgeoisie brewing facility recently switched jobs to work at a waste water treatment center and he was advocating for removing fluoride from water with a level of rationale that I have to assume he picked up from co-workers parroting information they heard on the Joe Rogan podcast.