I know it’s not the case because the studies basically are for a wider population set than just transgender people… But even if it weren’t, even if it was to create a population of trans mice to use for experiments benefiting trans people; we need it.
People rag on about the possibilities of regret for the transitioned but it is so statistically rare that it really isn’t a huge problem… but one of the actual risks of existing as a trans or intersex person is medicine in general doesn’t test or teach for your population. Trans people are very often given entirely wrong doses of meds because of assumptions about how they should react to them. Rule of thumb is that the adage that for anyone on horomones “trans women are women, trans men are men” is basically the way to go. This is because if you treat an Assigned male at birth person on feminizing estrogen like you would a phenotyical cis man for purposes of dose chances are that you will give them too much. The drugs will linger in the paitents system just like drugs do for cis women and we already know that is a great way to cause unwanted damages to the paitents’ organ function and for desired care outcomes to tank. There are also some meds and health conditions which do have unique presentations in populations with mixed sex characteristics and a more in depth understanding of the nature of sex and the body is how you get cool new things.
There is a largely empty hole in medicine where trans and intersex people are concerned and having an army of “transgender” mice to test against actually would be something of benefit. I know this is a generally unacceptable thing to point out to transphobes however because in a lot of ways they just want being trans to be riskier to force people away from considering being openly trans as a viable option.
My transgender friend calls testosterone his gender fluid and it cracks me up every time.
Gotta keep the transmission lubed up.
So it’s not as simple as these memes are making it. They were making mice transgender but it was to study the effects on the transitioning hormones had on their bodies abilities to fight HIV. I have now explained what is actually happening but it doesn’t align with either side so I’m ready for my downvotes.
So can someone explain this to me? Because I understand the explanation that the experiments were with transgenic mice, and obviously Trump is dumb enough to not know the difference, but then they’ve got this explanation on whitehouse.gov:
I have to swallow down my vomit after reading an official government website use the phrase “fake news losers”, but then it seems to be quoting actual studies and includes things like:
“A Mouse Model to Test the Effects of Gender-affirming Hormone Therapy on HIV Vaccine-induced Immune Responses”
and
Gender-Affirming Testosterone Therapy on Breast Cancer Risk and Treatment Outcomes
Those sound like perfectly valid and worthwhile experiments to me, but they do technically involve mice being given gender-affirming hormones, or as an idiot would say, “transgender mice”.
I just want to be accurate with my criticisms, and I’m not sure the transgenic = transgender explanation is enough.
You know how the coward insecure snowflake that is elon had a receding hairline and now no longer does? That is gender affirming care.
Gender affirming care isn’t just trans.
Remember when Angelina Jolie got her precancerous boobs whacked off to prevent cancer, then new cancer free ones installed? That back part was GAC.
Viagra, steroids, laser hair removal, gynecomastia removal, testicular implants, hell, even most HRT goes to cis people. All GAC. A long wig for a female cancer patient. Reconstruction surgery for a guy who gets his junk mauled by a pitbull.
Most puberty blockers go to cis children too btw, and have for decades.
Most puberty blockers go to cis children too btw, and have for decades.
…specifically ones with precocious puberty, because hitting puberty at say 4 can have some lifelong detrimental effects.
I believe it, as someone who hit puberty at all.
Gender-affirming care/medication more commonly given to cis people than it is given to trans people. Mostly because the trans* population is in reality very small, it just feels like there is more trans people than there really is because they are hated on so much and so loudly. The biggest problem that that most people don’t recognize cis gender affirming care as “gender affirming”, because the term is applied to heavily to trans* healthcare and not at all used for cis healthcare unless you are in a scientific setting. These types of experiments named here are in reality run for cis people, not trans, because hormones can effect so many things and its not very widely studied how they interact with many medications, like HIV medications.
Hormone therapy is used for a variety of reasons that are not necessarily gender dysphoria. Hormones have a HUGE effect on all aspects of your body and cis or trans* a hormone imbalance can be horrible.
Lots of cismen take testosterone as they get older because as you age your body does not generate as much as it did when you are younger. Insufficient levels of testosterone in men may lead to abnormalities including frailty, accumulation of adipose fat tissue within the body, anxiety and depression, sexual performance issues, and bone loss.
Conversely lots of ciswomen will take estrogen and progesterone to counter the effects of menopause, when their bodies start to produce less hormones. Lack of estrogen for women can lead to many of the menopause symptoms such as irritability, brain fog, joint pain, weight gain, bone loss, hot flashes and cold sweats.
Many cancers are also hormone fed, most common would be hormone positive breast cancer. AFAB Breast cancer survivors cannot take estrogen or progesterone hormone therapy like most cis women can because it increases the chances of it feeding the tumor. Testing if they can take testosterone is still very new in the research process, considering they didn’t start doing ANY hormone therapy research until after the turn of the century.
TL:DR These experiments are for cis medical care, not trans. The only reason they were targeted is because of the phase"trans" and the phase “gender affirming”.
This article is a good breakdown.
https://www.wcpo.com/transgender-mice-fact-check-trump-2025The transgenic mice thing is for one of the several studies listed which I think we’re justified in highlighting and poking fun of their lack of QA and reading comprehension in these releases since they’re supposed to be representing the US and acting like drunken college students doing their homework the night before it’s due.
The other studies are on the affects of HRT or “gender-affirming therapy” which is used by cis people all the time. Ever heard of a cis man going to get testosterone because he’s concerned about his low T? That’s gender affirming therapy. Most cis people don’t realize how much “trans healthcare” affects them too. Some of this research is specifically on “cross sex” hormones and is probably more directly applicable to the trans community, but it also likely has broader implications on the science of hormones and side effects for everyone regardless of if they’re cis or trans. This is one of several reasons why we say trans rights are human rights.
And they just announced that they’re going to fund studies trying to link vaccines to autism. Talk about a massive waste of government money….
I’ll trade it with a bad poem.
Well, I have a theoretical degree in physics.
that’s fantastic!
theoretical degree in physics or degree in theoretical physics?
The former. The other comment was referencing the video game “Fallout: New Vegas” (in which a character states that that is how he got a job in the USA’s last functional power plant (but has no clue at all and basically admits to the main character that he lied to recruiters).
Yes.
Welcome aboard!
Idiot eh? It was just proven that this statement was completely true. Consider how grievously the media is manipulating all of you.
Wrong again, idiot.
Stick to reddit, mouthbreather.
Hah, 3 whole comments, all of them nuts.
Another bot for the blocklist.
Where’s your proof?
Swing and a miss! You and your ilk are a fucking embarrassment, but, you also have no shame, it’s a devastating combination.
They were testing effects of hormone treatments on mice. “To make mice transgender” is just an egregious lie.
They were testing pharmecuticals, these happened to be hormones. They werent “transing the mice”
What? Where?
The White House released a Presidential statement listing a list of NIH research papers relating to hormone treatments and mice, totalling $8.2M in grants. They’re calling it “to make mice transgender” and that has literally nothing to do with what the papers are doing.
One, for example, was testing how testosterone treatments affect HIV immune response (very important for anyone with HIV who also needs additional testosterone).
But what if they did??? I wouldn’t be such an idiot then, eh? So the only difference is that it was not real? Well so much for the tolerance of the so-called ‘frogs gay-makers’.
out of all that speech, this was the most hurtful one? Really?!
Remember - these people heard him say “they’re eating the cats and the dogs” and was like “hmm yes, he’s sound of mind”
They’re eating the dooooogsss… They’re eating the cats! They’re… They’re EAtiiiiinnnnNNG the PETsss!
✋👱👌 God i fucking hate the way the fucker speaks… its infuriating…
The rest of the world is laughing at us.
Have been for a while, but this administration is the point where you’ve crossed the line so many times it’s not funny, just horrifying
We sure are
GOP 2016. We need Trump, the rest of the world is laughing at us!
GOP in 2025. Who cares what anyone lese thinks??
You are 100% right.
As they should be. Only 1/3 of us tried to stop putting the biggest fucking clown in charge again, knowing how awful he was and was planning on being. The rest either gladly voted for it or could t be bothered to care
The US is officially a joke and a failing nation. Even if we somehow managed to get someone like Bernie in in 2028, I don’t see our country ever coming back from this. We were already on our way out, but now we’re going to become a pariah state.
You’re right. The lack of media literacy and feeling of political apathy have totally fucked us. People are so beaten down they can’t even be bothered to try to do the bare minimum to get people who will actually advocate for change into office. Really disheartening to see for those of us who are paying attention and saw all the warning signs coming for years.
The lack of literacy, full stop.
Fair enough. The overlap of illiteracy and critical thinking skills is probably significant.
Sometimes, but we honestly don’t laugh as much as we should, since many of us have our own fascism problem. See the rise of AfD in the recent German elections.
So what like under a buck per trans person in this country?
You’d think the republicans would want this. If they can make something transgender, then they can probably also make something not transgender.
If you go through that route, you will end up supporting science… They’d rather kill themselves first.
The only way to stop a bad guy with transgender research is with a good guy with transgender research
Nobody expects a trans mouse army.
Am I the only one who was mildly upset that they weren’t? Like shit, we somehow got to bio-transhumanism before techno-transhumanism, that’s rad. By all means, let’s research new ways of being transgender, I wanna see what people come up with next.
Europe and Asia will gladly absorve the brain drain from the US in the coming years.
honestly so will parts of Africa and, South America
I heard Paris is lovely in the spring.
Moved to Taiwan during the first Trump presidency. I helped 3 other friends come here. The brain drain has been happening.
You don’t say
Taiwan is a great country. The government prioritizes small businesses. There are big businesses, but the country is setup to handle small local businesses, not big business.
We are still a young democracy (since 1997) so it hasn’t been ruined by lobbyist and big corp.
