So I’ve been barely active on Lemmy for a litany of reasons but I am active elsewhere. Specifically, Bluesky. I run an account that I’ve posted here a couple times called the Starfleet Press Office where I post lil tweets that take place kinda within the Star Trek universe, breaking the fourth wall to an extent. The idea is that the Department of Temporal Investigations owed a favor to the team in charge of the S.P.O so he got a temporal link to Bsky set up. For fun. So random tweets get posted that are commenting on current episodes (A few were made for different Lower Decks episodes as they were posted), other ones about just random events in the universe that I think would be funny (sometimes lining up with holidays, like some Santa teleportation nonsense), and others that take real world events and parody them in the Star Trek universe, like the ferengi CEO of a health insurance conglomerate getting killed.
I’m clearly doing something right because @RealGulDukat, the guy who posts Trump tweets as if Dukat said them, follows only 13 people on Bsky and one of them is me. So whatever nonsense I keep posting I’m just gonna stick with. Drop by and say hi!
Sisko was obviously space Moses, not space Jesus.
Every societal change that’s happened before I was born was just the natural way of things and needs to be preserved.
Every societal change that’s happened after I was born is the evil work of the woke devil worshippers destroying society.If you go back a little in time me you can talk about how rock music and the shaking of hips would destroy society. A little further and it was the first kiss on screen.
This is true of every generation it seems. Here is a supposed quote from King Naram Sin of Chaldea, 3800 years B.C
“We have fallen upon evil times and the world has waxed very old and wicked. Politics are very corrupt. Children are no longer respectful to their parents.”
People used to think the sound of a flushing toilet onscreen would destroy society. Moral puritans are garbage
Heard this on QI from Jimmy Carr; when film technology started, horses were still commonplace and horseshit was everywhere and slipping on some wasn’t something unheard of. Obviously it’s fun to laugh at the misfortune of others so they wanted to show that in films, but couldn’t put in shit — as they’re making art — that it was replaced with the innocuous banana peel.
Granted it would be quite different if in Mario Kart you tossed shit at others instead of bananas.
I would play as donkey kong every. single. game. Grand prix as a shit flinging ape? oh fuck yes
Sorry to hear that the federation has lost you to blusky.
I was never a huge fan of the idea of a federated internet but after engaging for it the past couple of years, I absolutely fucking hate it. Federation didn’t lose me to Bsky so much as hurl me as fast as humanly possible.
Keep in mind this point of view is framed especially by multiple personal experiences of extremely petty, vindictive and pathetic admins of other instances who went FUCKING INSANE trying to purge me from the federation, as well as a handful of trolls that abused certain instances lack of admin to harass me or other mods. Then there’s how active I am in talking to admins of multiple other instances of lemmy and of Mastodon and hearing the shit they put up with and the shit they do…
I haven’t had the best of experiences.
Glad to hear you at least gave mastodon a try. There are some friendlier parts than that out there on the fediverse but if you’re enjoying bsky so be it. Maybe we’ll meet again some day after it eventually either implodes or federates.
I wish anybody would make something as woke as DS9 again
Yeah!
Weirdly, The Orville is the recently created media that stands closest, in my opinion.
I think it’s a far cry from DS9.
And I’m pretty sure I don’t share many politics with Seth MacFarlane.
But The Orville genuinely prioritizes asking the audience to reflect on tough topics through a lens of empathy and compromise.
Thank you for everything Stamets
I always like to remind people that Star Trek includes the first ever
interracialkiss between a black and white person on TV.It’s always been “woke.”
(Edited. See Wikipedia article.)
I enjoyed star trek before it got woke. I still enjoy
TNGTOSThe CageThe intro. There’s nothing woke about “space”Except for the one inconvenient point that the entire series is predicted on THE ENTIRE SPECIES GOING WOKE AND NOT BICKERING OVER IT.
Do we seriously think us ugly bags of mostly water could get safely out to the hard vacuum of space without a lengthy bout of cooperation and super-getting-along powers?
I suspect we are actually upset about is the in-your-face woke tropes that are used as 2x4s with nails driven through them as devices to drive the narrative. But that’s not just trek, that’s kinda all modern media. It’s almost like the corresponding rise in incivility and everyday life is being protested, or warned against by the people doing the writing. I agree that it’s poorly executed but bad writing doesn’t mean that “being good and kind to one another” is a shitty idea, or that it’s impossible have characters acting with an enlightened humanity, which is all being “woke” actually is.
The lore does require a “nuclear horror” followed by the invention of faster-than-light travel (along with the energy source to power same) and then meeting sentient spacefaring aliens, like, a few minutes later.
Lol. I’m gonna steal that. The first word of the first episode intro is indeed, pretty politically neutral.
Now I want someone to over interpret it in both ways
Honestly, exploring for exploration’s sake (as opposed to conquest or resource extraction) is pretty woke too.
True, but “the final frontier” sounds alot like Manifest Destiny and makes the US look like the humanistic project the federation is. I think star trek plays both teams and actually always wins. It appeals to those who like hierarchical militaristic power structures while giving a utopian one to those unsatisfied with the real ones. Don’t get me wrong, I read it as a left utopia but I have my issues and see how people from other points of the spectrum enjoy it too.
Okay, but can we talk about how Star Trek was always “woke”?
Like they didn’t become woke. They always presented the progressive side as utopian.
@stamets is back!! We’ve missed you buddy!!!
<3 Hey buddy
I like the astromycology homage to the man, but boy it must be a weird feeling to have trek fans grabbing your real name as meme account handles online.
The real Paul Stamets is an anti-union man.
I literally could not care less what he thinks or how he feels. When he has an ounce of compassion, then maybe I’ll give a shit.
Aww man… He hired someone to manage the unionization process (they were bastards, because obviously they were, who isn’t a bastard that willingly works with management, jfc paul) who he soon fired when they started their union busting intimidation BS, then offered pretty extensive pay and perk increases to his workers. His employees then overwhelmingly voted not to unionize, in a process overseen directly by the WA secretary of state.
Paul is a brilliant mycologist and a truly terrible businessman - to that end, part of the promises he made to his employees was to step back from direct management and hire someone, you know, competent. But he’s also a very notorious hippy and the most vocal proponent of therapeutic psychedelics and psychedelic-enhanced therapy, and certain rightwing fuckwads have been absolutely trashing anyone that advocates anything to do with drug decriminalization. He deserves the criticism for hiring that group yes, fucking hell though even with that he’s done nothing to justify this extreme degree of loathing.
Woke was never the problem.
The virtue signalling to cover up terrible writing, acting and directing, is. DS9 was awesome, just like TNG. Any star trek after 2000 has just been anything but good, anything but star trek.
The Orville is a great example of how to upgrade star trek for modern times, it was the star trek we never got
Strange New Worlds is good, at least S1 (haven’t watched S2 yet)
The Orville is painfully derivative. It’s not the Star Trek show we never got, it’s reheated leftovers of the Star Trek show we already had thirty years ago.
NuTrek has certainly had its writing failures (looking in Picard’s direction), but at least it generally tried to let the franchise evolve.
And none of those failures had anything to do with “virtue signalling”. They’ve mostly been the result of committing to a season long arc with no meaningful plan and fumbling the ball halfway to the finish line.
The Orville gave us exactly what everyone wanted: the warmth of a star trek show, the actual thoughts in morals and ethics, actual woke materials to make you think about.
Nu trek gave us “pew pew”, shitty CGI, and abhorrent writing
Space Jesus? In my prophets?
Every time I see this, I’m reminded of the weird right wing star trek subreddit called
r/star_trekwhere people disagreed with this. It was wild that they “watched” the same shows where it literally has every single of these characters and went “nah I disagree”The Boys got too woke in later seasons. Black Dr. Who is just forced DEI politics. Heisenberg is actually an american icon for supporting his family and working two jobs while having cancer. Real Jedis would vote Trump for peace in the galaxy.
Friendly reminder that /r/Star_Trek was run by the same people who own/run the lemmy instance, Startrek.website.
Which explains… a lot.
Woke, you say? Dare I remind people what racial tensions were like when this episode came out in (checks notes) 1968?
Why were people outraged? That’s clearly an alien woman and not a black woman that Kirk has his tongue jammed down the throat of. /s
Yes. And all those cat girls are really 3000 years old.
The bad guys were also telekinetically forcing them to do it.
It’s the Union that’s too far for them.
Conservatives: Black Jesus? Jesus was from the middle east … Bisexual Terrorist? rebels against tyranny are not identified by sexuality … Trans Worm? it’s just another alien … Dr Twink and his fashion Lizard boyfriend? what happens in another star system stays in another star system … traumatized goo? just keep it in a jar … communist himbo? we defeated communism in the 20th century … PRO-UNION IRISHMAN!!!
PRO-UNION IRISHMAN!!! But O’Brien must suffer!!!
The plight of union men throughout the ages, really.
