• ntma@lemm.ee
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    12 days ago

    It must be easy for the Dems to blame the voters and call them XYZ because it affords them the opportunity of not having to change. If the voters are the problem then you don’t have to do anything different and continue down the same path.

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      12 days ago

      I’m sorry but if you look at Trump and think ‘okay, I will give him my vote.’ then you are a dick bag and deserve to be treated as such.

      What the Dems do or don’t do is irrelevant.

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        12 days ago

        Maybe during the next election they can run ads calling Trump supporters dick bags. I’m sure that will help them win.

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          Again, I don’t give a crap what the DNC does or not.

          If you vote for Trump you’re a proper dickbag. Simple as.

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    13 days ago

    I’m judging the Trump voters, but I’m judging the Harris voters, too. You would think that support of genocide would be a deal-breaker for Democrats, but apparently not.

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      Do you really think Trump cares about Gaza let alone anyone?

      Israel buys a couple hundred million of dtj stock and they can do whatever they want, that’s how it works now.

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          You were defending Trump implicitly though.

          And you voted for him implicitly when you stayed home.

          And before the “wah that’s not how it works” reply: yes it is.

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              So as they are being killed, they can think “well, zarkanian didn’t vote for the choice that might have improved my chances of not being killed, but at least it was a principled wrong choice”

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                Stein had huge support among Palestinian-Americans. She was the one that they were asking people to vote for. She was endorsed by several Arab-American organizations. This is because she was the only anti-genocide candidate on enough ballots to win.

                Why would they want me to vote for the administration that is not only funding their genocide, but has promised to never stop funding it?

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                  They may have preferred the outcome where she won but that was never going to happen no matter how you voted. The possibility that your vote was the difference between Trump and Harris, on the other hand, was within the realm of possibility.

                  We need ranked choice voting. But at the moment we don’t have it.

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        Harris split the dems so she could take AIPAC cash, and here we all are. Give credit where its due.

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        Yup. Morons who didn’t vote for Harris “because genocide” now get to watch Trump cut Bibi a blank cheque. Genocide will accelerate. Good job, morons.

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    Cool, none of them care. They’re all gloating. You can judge people all you want, but they won’t do what you want if they have real power over you. You want to make them care? Get power.

    In the course of history, what do we know of those who “judged” the people who won? We don’t know much, nor do we care. How about we focus on winning, then it will matter who we judge.

  • مهما طال الليل@lemm.ee
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    “If you were able to overlook a genocide and cast a vote for Harris, you already know how a conservative was able to overlook Trump ’s extremism and vote for him.” – Historian Robin D.G. Kelley

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    Then you should be fair and judge harris in a similar way. For supporting and being a part of genocide.

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        And it will be far far far worse.

        All of these “it’s genocide, it cannot get worse” fools are in for a rude awakening. Assuming they actually give a shit.

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      If you didn’t vote Harris because of genocide then you’re a fucking moron. Trump is just going to cut Bibi a blank cheque to pave Palestine with bodies and then move on to Iran. Good job choosing the greater of two evils!

      But go ahead and pat yourself on the back for staying home.

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      I absolutely would have judged her in a similar way had she won. But right now, she’s the Vice President, and has zero say (unless its to break a tie in the Senate) on this policy whatsoever.

      So why would I judge her for “supporting and being part of a genocide”? See how this works? You elect her first, then you pressure her to do the thing that you know for certain the other guy will never do.

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    Regrettably most of these people saw an avenue they thought would benefit them economically.

    They didn’t vote with their brains, they voted with their wallet and based on what they’ve heard.

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      The fact that anyone not in the 1% keeps falling for Republican economic policy shows how fucking stupid the US population is.

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    Can we stop with all this bullshit? Im not even and American and i cant stand the cry anymore. People voted, its democracy, it is what it is, get over it

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      We shouldn’t blame Trump voters for the results of their vote? Why not?

      Voters (and people who chose not to vote) are to blame. Fuck off.

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            “Its everyone else’s fault but my own that I chose the misogynistic racist.”

            It wouldn’t have mattered what the dems did. Trump offered the most concessions to the ultra wealthy. Just like when the Democrats win, thats what decides it.

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              They did not. Less people voted for Trump than before. There are statistically less racists and mysoginists than before. You should be happy right?

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              I voted third party. Go on and cry about it liberal.

              You’re not pushing your candidate to the left after being out to brunch for the past four years and overlooking a genocide, you’re being pulled right and you think you’re “protecting democracy” by voting for a candidate that not a single vote went to in a primary, and “preventing fascism” by funding the israelis in their genocide.

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                Unless you’re a literal armed radical, you’d be considered just another kind of liberal too.

                Did you vote for a misogynistic racist? I thought you’d voted third party and not trump? You seem to have a guilty conscience.

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                  I voted third party. I didn’t vote for the piece of shit orange buffoon, but it’s really telling that the DNC lost this fucking badly to him. They’re not incompetent, no no, the voters are evil scum of the earth!

    • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.ee
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      It’s day four of Trump being in office and I’ve already been ghosted by dozens of people for the crime of not voting. Because, you know, immigrants who can’t vote are expected to vote too.

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        Trump isn’t in office until he’s sworn in mid January.

        Also simultaneously LOL and I’m really sorry. Those people are not only stupid but not your friends.

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            Sorry, that’s really hard. I went through a bad friend break up recently that had nothing to do with politics and it sucks ass.

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                Reading comprehension is hard. I’m a US citizen, the original comment I replied to is that of an immigrant who can’t legally vote.

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              Idk what’s worse: not voting and making your voice useless out of apathy or laziness, or voting third party and making sure your voice means nothing on purpose.

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                The whole point of a democracy is people speak their minds, is it not?

                If you vote third party, your vote is an extension of your true self. If you vote for a potential winner just out of the likeliness they’ll win, is that really “you”?

                Same logic if you don’t vote. In Australia, voting is a requirement for all citizens, and it’s disastrous because you end up with people who just don’t care filling up some random candidate’s score, so the outcome doesn’t reflect what people actually want.

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                  If you vote third party, your vote is an extension of your true self.

                  Your true self is a waste of time.

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    Well… I do judge them for their choice in political party when that party’s entire platform is built up on those things.

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    Oh no! I’m shaking in my little boots. Your opinion matters so much, Andrea. For the record though, I’m with you in principal, I just don’t care about your opinion.

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    This tweet assumes people care about OPs opinion, or histories opinion. It’s a toothless threat trying to invoke some Boogeyman of future retribution. Anyone who voted for Trump is going to be doing the Jennifer Lawrence “ok” reaction to this.

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      So why bother having you’re own morals and opinions, is what you’re saying.
      No thanks.

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      I’ve family that voted for Trump. Had plans on spending Thanksgiving there. Told them I’m not coming, and told them why. Explained that I’ll be happy to apologize if the next four years goes well. Otherwise, I’m holding them accountable. I love them, but I will not associate with them.

      I’m done with the “they’re family, you have to accept them.” Bullshit.

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        I warned my wife if her dad makes the mistake of showing his bitch ass face to me again he’s dead, she was smart enough to already know

        Fucker already literally threatened my life twice before on top of all the other horrid shit he’s done, and now he knows hes not allowed near his favorite daughter or he’s pig food

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      And should things turn around and the overwhelming consensus somehow turns against Trump (seems highly unlikely currently), people will just lie about having supported him.

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        And all the fucking clowns that decided to stay home will still try to claim the moral high ground by claiming they supported neither.

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          The dnc leadership are the real clowns here. They set up this no-win hostage situation and now the hostages are dead and people want to blame everyone except Biden and Harris for it.

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    Trump voters won’t care about any of that shit until it impacts them personally. My family is moving from Indiana to Maryland because of this election which is really going to obliterate grandparents’ time around our kids. Sucks for them we refuse to stay in a state that would actively destroy our kids’ education and wellbeing. They can shell out whatever massively inflated airfare it’ll cost them to come visit us in a place we can actually feel safe.

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      Maryland is wonderful… you’ll love it. I’m working on getting out of the South and back up north to the mid Atlantic

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      Wait until you’re the grandparent and see how it’s different then, and how would you’d think then

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        Sounds like gramma and grampa voted Trump, so maybe next time they’ll make better choices. It’s too late, of course, but that’s the bed they made.

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        Yes the warped perscrptive informed from 50 years ago, when you had no choice but to trust the TV and newspapers, not like the world has changed since then.

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        Maybe the grandparents shouldn’t vote to directly harm their own grandchildren, and actively destroy their futures. Just a thought.

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    Meaning that if they are ever held accountable, they will say they never voted for Trump and burn anything that could ever indicate so.

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    Many of those people could have been swayed to vote democrat if the democrats fucking addressed the actual fucking issues and actually gave them a damn narrative to go by. Saying everything is fine when nothing is fine and the Republicans are constantly screwing them over (while also 100% deflecting ALL blame elsewhere) is delusional at best.

    Also fuck AIPAC.

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      I’ve done a lot of posts critical of the posture and actions of the Democrat Party and their whole “If you don’t vote you’re voting Trump” propaganda (which are right there in my post history with lots of for and against votes), but as I see it the point being made by this tweet is different.

      I don’t read this tweet as being about people who didn’t vote at all because the present day Democrat party, Democrat Candidate and Democrat President’s actions didn’t appeal to them (which is what seems to be responsible for the Democrat loss), I think it’s about people who actually explicitly voted Trump (so, none of that “implictly voting Trump if you don’t vote” bollocks but actually putting their vote on Trump)

      And I absolutelly agree with this tweet: that man is a complete total worm - in everything from what he’s done to what he says and even his body language - and on top of that was offering scapegoating and hate as policies.

      I can get it that some people couldn’t bring themselves to vote for the Genocidal ethno-Fascist supporting, pro-Oligarchy hard-right Neoliberal, slimy snakesoil salesman liar Democrats, but anybody actually voting Trump is not simply distrusting of or dissapointed with the modern day Democrat Party, they’re active supporters of an even broader and deeper kind of nastiness.

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        While reading the beginning of this comment, I thought I had actually witnessed a “genocide joe” moron admit they were wrong… But nope.

        Never gonna happen, is it?