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This is not a shitpost.
I declare this to be a shitpost. The bar isn’t exactly high.
Hey, chasing republican votes didn’t work this time, but I’m sure it will next time. Definitely don’t try appealing to the left.
Do you think we’ll get primaries back? And not the fake ones we’re use to.
No way, the rabble might ask for someone that doesn’t allow Nancy Pelosi to openly do insider trading.
Then the rabble wont show up for elections. No better way to drain the energy out of a voter base then to make their voices feel unheard.
Then the rabble wont show up for elections. No better way to drain the energy out of a voter base then to make their voices feel unheard.
Democrats will never understand this.
As long as progressives (and correspondingly, everybody) gets nothing, we’re good 👍👍🤘✊
Blaming indiviguals for not wanting to vote for a pro-genicide candidate works so well. Totally helped us win 2016 and 2024.
Here’s the real issue. The Dems would rather be moderate Republicans than actual left-wing candidates. They spent all their time trying to appeal to modern White wingers and modern right-wing are still vote for people like Trump instead.
We should not pander to fascists and their enablers so we are free to say fuck all non voters. You will not have another election anyways so non voters should be cut out of anyones life the same way MAGA is.
Oh, look how smart you are, you figured out the REAL issue! Conveniently, it had nothing to do with people like you doing everything possible to spread voter apathy, what a coinky-dink!
Look how smart you are, you didn’t vote for the “PrO-gEnoCiDe candidate”, and now we have the actual Pro-Genocide PARTY in charge of the Presidency, Congress and the Supreme Court.
What’s first on your agenda? Email Trump, ask him to stop the genocide, LOL?? Oh hey, maybe the Trump administration will allow Palestinians to seek asylum here in the US right?!?! We all know how friendly they are to immigrants!
You’re so effin’ smart, man! We are all in awe of your genius political acumen.
You should be angry at the millions of people who voted for trump instead. There’s a lot more of them than left wingers with morals.
I like how the Republicans are now simply labeled Trump. It’s so fitting!
If this is a joke, I apologize for clarifying but the Republican is listed as Trump for both of those races because the Republican nominee was Trump in both those races. They’re not just calling all Republicans Trump LOL
Trump enablers in leftist spaces are just agent provocateurs. There’s always some infiltrators
Genocide-enabling establishment cultist can’t figure out why they lost, but sure everyone who tried to get them to see the end result if they didn’t change their tune are the the agent provocateurs.
Two days ago i said she could have lied and won and someone got upset.
For them supporting genocide and ignoring people protest and not even speaking to them is better than lying to secure vote to stop what they call a “threat to democracy”
I also pointed out that she has different ads in Michigan and PA, and someone refused to watch the video because it was on Fox news.
These people lives in the cloud, everyone is a russian bot or troll. They never blame the Democrats that insisted on Biden even after the debate, where they could have allowed Harris to plan better long time ago.
My best is when I see Bill Clinton supporting harries in a campaign about Women Abortion Right. Like at least be a shame of someone associated with Epstein and caught lying in office.
Agreed 100%. It’s the refusal to self-reflect and attacks on anyone who dare to question that turns people away. Not only is Bill Clinton a terrible campaign messenger, but he was chastising Arab-americans in Michigan for being against genocide. Just like Obama was blaming black men.
The one enabling genocide now will be Turbo Genocide Donny and it will be 10 times worse.
Or did you think it would stop when Trump won? Are you this naive?
The only one being naive here is you. I don’t think it will stop cause Trump won. It will likely get worse. Democrats could have stopped it though, but their “we’re terrible, but the other guy is worse” messaging isn’t as effective as “no more genocide.”
Honest question and I’m being 100% sincere. Did he genocide them last time he was elected? Can you send me more info on what he’s planning to do this election?
Or is it mostly just enabling his voters to hate lgtb people?
Trump supports the genicide of Gaza
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/25/trump-netanyahu-support-gaza-lebanon/
Yes I’m aware of that. OP made it sound like they were more concerned about LGBT genocide
help
Fuck all non voters. They will be regarded the same as Trump voters in the history books and are the same kind of filth as those.
Damn I didn’t know 50 leftist shitposters on the internet had so much power that they can flip an election. Maybe they should try to do what they ask if they want to win
Are you talking about Lemmy alone? These people are EVERYWHERE over the Internet, TikTok especially. Also the reach for a post is a lot larger than the likes it gets, like upwards of 10x.
And disabled folks, and veterans, and naturalized citizens…
I honestly think it hurts worse now than it would have if he won in 2020, since we were seemingly so close to getting away from this dirtbag.
Well silver lining I guess is that he can’t be elected again unless he gets it changed somehow
Here’s hoping
You know, knock on wood. At least he’s fucking ancient
I now wish he’d won in 2020. Maybe it would have finally been the thing that stopped D from tacking to the right. Plus, we’d be a month away from being done with him now. We’d be a month away from starting to rebuild from 8 years of his shit. (well ok, more like two months)
Instead, factoring in the supreme court, the house and senate, and figuring all the shit he dismantles will take more than just 4 years to put back together, I figure I’ll be dead of old age (as will anyone over 50) by the time any of the progressive goals that seemed like they could one day be obtainable at the end of 2020 actually have any chance of becoming obtainable again.
And that’s on top of the untold horrors that await the queer community, people of color, folks with special needs, etc etc during the next four years, and I’m now not 100% sure we’ll get another election at all.
Do you see enough votes from any independent to get Kamala elected? Stop blaming the voters. She didn’t campaign.
2 million registered PA voters did not vote.
How does that compare to past elections?
A lack of accountability has been a recurring theme here. The orange man will take no accountability for attempting an insurrection, or for the hatred he encourages. Voters will not take accountability for electing a fascist.
Nor will the legal system take responsibility for not doing anything about Trump before he pardoned himself.
Nor will the Democrats take any responsibility when Trump steamrolls over their constituents.
Democrats will take no responsibility for why they lost.
MFW I forget that people can choose not to vote at all
It is called democracy when you can’t force people to do what you want.
Did she campaign? Did she run a good campaign? Did she go into the black barber shops, like Trump did? Did she go into the McDonald’s, like Trump did? Did she go out to meet the people, like Trump did?
She tried scaring people away from Trump and it didn’t work. They want an economy that’s doing better than this. They want jobs. They want their life to be better.
That’s how you win elections. You tell people you know how to make their lives better. You don’t tell them the other guy is going to make their life worse. That doesn’t win an election. It never has.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13289142
It gets downvotes, but it’s still not wrong.
The thing is that she shouldn’t have needed to campaign. Trump is a big enough piece of work that he shouldn’t have been an option in anyones mind.
Putins propaganda machine made him win. The guy didn’t even have a campaign program for fucks sake.
That’s never the case. You always need to campaign.
Not AGAINST something.
FOR something.
when “the candidate who wants start a fresh, new genocide” wins the popular vote, it is the perfect time to blame the voters
And I don’t suppose it could be because people are not happy with joblessness and inflation?
Also valid. The democrats and their mouthpieces in the press yelled from the rooftops that the economy was Good Actually and that people were just too dumb to see it.
Trump campaigned on the economy being bad, and then scapegoated everyone except the corporate elite that are raising prices.
I believe that’s a huge part of it, but it sucks that those people just want trump to print more money
And the cycle continues…
It really isn’t leftists’ fault, though. Trump easily won the popular vote and flipped georgia, pennsylvania, and wisconsin from their dem vote in 2020. Low voter turnout/voter suppression are the real culprits - along with dems failing to do almost any of the things that could’ve changed this outcome. Leftist memes did not lose dems the election. Voter apathy and the sheer popularity of fascism did.
I distinctly remember hearing about unusually high voter turnout.
It just wasn’t blue voters.
If Harris had campaigned on the issues she would have had so many Republican women jump ship. Just look at how many of them voted for abortion in Missouri.
Leftist memes did not lose dems the election. Voter apathy and the sheer popularity of fascism did.
I’m not necessarily attributing blame here, but I’m pretty sure that OP is suggesting that leftist memes helped lead to this apathy. Say what you will, Trump voters were excited for their candidate… somehow, despite the list of reasons not to being far too long to be listed here. But many on the left either were just lukewarm on her, just considered her the lesser of two evils, or were protest voting third party or abstaining for one reason or another, mostly over Palestine. And there were memes galore to make clear to everyone what the general mood was. It doesn’t exactly inspire enthusiasm to those that need that a lot of enthusiasm to even bother (those people are frustrating, btw). I don’t know how much it actually contributed to or propogated the apathy versus how much it just reflected the apathy already there, but a case could be made either way.
It is on the candidate to inspire people. Yeah, the left was lukewarm to a candidate that was trying her best to court Republicans. How else could you expect that to play out?
Kamala isn’t on the left. The democrats aren’t on the left. This is a false dichotomy. They’re all capitalists. You can’t be on the left and be a capitalist, so leftists had many more disagreements with Kamala than Palestine.
Now, if you want to look at a great analysis of fascism and the false dichotomy in American politics, read Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti.
They didn’t lead to the apathy - they pointed out the existing apathy would cost Dems the election. It’s like saying the person who said you need to wear a seatbelt caused the wreck.
You’re exactly right about people being excited for Trump and lukewarm on Harris, but that’s entirely on the Democrats for picking the platform and strategy that lost to Trump in 2016.
Harris had a notable and surprising lead when they announced Biden was out - then they changed nothing else. People didn’t just not like the candidate, they didn’t like the policies. They only changed the candidate and thought Trump was a big enough cudgel to bully people into voting even though that demonstrably doesn’t work.
thought Trump was a big enough cudgel to bully people into voting even though that demonstrably doesn’t work.
What kinda ass country is this?
Oh boy, if you haven’t, read its history. Its real history. Wild stuff.
Why do you think the turnout was so low? Millions of idiots were pressuring people to withhold their vote over Palestine in a colossal self-fuck. That is if you assume these people spreading that are really that stupid. Some were, but I think a large percentage were paid trolls. And their campaigning worked. Russia owns the United States now
Yeah there are only so many times Biden can go “hey isreal, you’d better stop that genocide or else!” While doing nothing whatsoever and even giving them the weapons to continue the genocide before people go “well they aren’t going to do a damn thing about this”
and that’s why I voted trump! /s
I’m not supporting that idea nor voter apathy. But i can certainly understand why Kamala lost Michigan, Dearborn has the largest muslim population in the country. I can understand why so many people there might be apathetic or uninterested in voting for a party that has put forth no pushback or even plans to stop an ongoing genocide against people of their faith.
Again, Trump will absolutely be far worse by just greenlighting isreal.
Again, Trump will absolutely be far worseby just greenlighting isreal.
The aim of a genocide is the same whether there’s someone with a blue tie approving it or a red tie approving it. Israel wants to displace or kill every Palestinian and break their culture and heritage.
That’s what genocide is. You can’t get worse than that, and that’s what’s happening.
Trump will absolutely be far worse by just greenlighting isreal.
Something every human had the means to see coming. They just either didn’t care or plugged their eyes and ears to it.
Oh you mean they didn’t show up to support your preferred minority issue? huh. I wonder how the arabs felt this entire campaign?
No one owes you their vote. You need to earn it. Your support of the shit behavior towards arabs (and others) demonstrated by the democratic party and its candidate is what caused this.
go home trick. connect with your community. get support. if you need some help lines to call I can find them.
I’m not disagreeing with you. All I’m saying is that I understand why say a Palistinian American might be adverse to voting for the side actively faning the flames to a genocide including their own family members. I can imagine waking up and being told you should vote for the side that supplied the bombs that exploded half your family and going “why? So the other half can also get bombed? My whole family is going to die either way” and that being their rational for not voting.
Wh vote for the side that didn’t interfere when someone else bombed your family, when you can help elect someone who will encourage them to bomb every living relative too
Yep! Why didn’t they vote ?! Why didn’t they choose the genocide eneblers, it’s only been 1 yearsince it started!! Those abstinent peaple are surely responsible for what Trump gonna do. But the Kamalla voters aren’t responcible for it. They are the right choise !!!
It can’t possibly be because that’s a real concern. They had to be paid actors. You sound like Infowars after a school shooting.
yeah because cambridge analytica was also a hoax
Are you seriously comparing a fucking genocide to an info op?
Only 10% of the electorate even cared about Gaza. You’re giving the American people entirely too much credit.
I don’t know what point you think you’re making, but after yesterday I give the American people zero credit. Millions of voters stayed home pretending it was about gaza. It’s not my job to psychoanalyze them but I do know their actions contradicted their stated goal and that makes them frauds.
I see, so in order to save “democracy” people should have supported Genocide.
Honeslty maybe the Democrats should have seen this coming to themselves for supporting, and I will repeat it once more in case you don’t understand, GENOCIDE.
Imagine voting for 100% Hitler because another guy could be 150% Hitler.
I’m on this kick of pointing out that the utilitarian ethical calculation still works with 100% Hitler and 100.1% Hitler. Harm minimization, baby!
yeah its why no some takes utilitarian’s seriously. Hi friend I have this new policy where you give me your left arm and I don’t take your legs!
You say that, but “vote blue no matter who” is exactly this argument under the paint.
Another contributor to low turnout was massive voter suppression. It’d be interesting to see that quantified. Hundreds of thousands of voters were being purged in each of several states. The single-issue Gaza vote was lost in the noise of those gross examples of electoral manipulation.
I’m sure you’re right. It’s hard to know where to focus the blame most, but I am livid that this country is worse than my worst fears. On a certain level I am losing any desire to even care specifically how/why. I wouldn’t have considered not voting before this but now I honestly am 99.9% of the way to saying fuck it all.
It wasn’t ‘voter apathy’ it was a misplaced sense of voter moral superiority. It’s the thing leftist rhetoric has been weak to for a very long time. That love of withholding support except for perfection. The idea that compromise or chosing a lesser evil from two bad options dirties you. It doesn’t matter what you lost if you personally took “the high ground”.
This cutting of our noses to spite our face was exploited all to shit this election. They lulled people by appealing to the same zeal of righteousness that they know divides us fundamentally knowing that when push comes to shove people will turn up their noses on principle of not being personally catered to and forget that their ability to help at all is contingent on the freedoms that one party was explicitly putting on the chopping block.
It will be a while before people can admit that they were duped and there’s a lot of fault to go around, particularly in those funded astroturf campaigns designed to bait the hook… The right have been watching us for the past decade they knew how to divide us and it is on US that so many of us fell for it.
Dude, wow okay. let me inform you how voting works.
- a person (or group) has ideas, and says ‘hey friends, support me so I can implement these ideas’
- people then look at your ideas and say ‘oh that sounds grand!’ or ‘No thanks, pass’
- the person who gets the most people to say ‘oh that sounds grand!’ wins.
now here is the thing. harris ‘grand idea’ was a fucking genocide, and no support for labor. this isn’t about fucking moral superiority. its about a complete fucking lack of morals by harris across the board.
If you walk into a fucking room of people and tell them to ‘join you for some genocide’ dear fucking god do I hope they tell you to fuck right off. Now unfortunately 30% of the population is down for genocide. another 30% are willing to go along with it if you threaten them enough (or won’t impact them personally). and a final 30% is like ‘lulz newp’. Why the democrats thought it would be good policy to try to out compete genocidal fucks at their own game for votes is beyond me.
You really think the 15 million people who voted for Biden but not Kamala was “misplaced sense of moral superiority”? Why?
Because that explanation makes them feel better
Yes I do. Because The situation in Gaza was not an election issue for Biden. There was a fantastic amount of campaigning, a lot of it bought and paid for, that turned that genocide into a single issue vote with tis holier than thou reaction of withdrawal from the entire system toted as the answer. It is political suicide to run a mainstream Pro-Palistine presidential campaign in the US. A candidate of one of the two main parties need unilateral support from their donation streams and encumbant systems and the Republicans knew that. They know that’s the devil’s bargain every DNC candidate has to sign to even get a shot.
Republican money supported Jill Stein to serve as a spoiler candidate to engage those with a naive veiw of the system but still wanted to vote and then they helped pipe that message through all manner of socials that if enough people withold their vote then Kamala would have shift her position… Because they knew how enticing that is. The idea that you don’t have to compromise your integrity and that that will be rewarded. They turned this into a single issue campaign for so many people knowing that they didn’t need to shift their position even a little. They could let their Red capped demogogues talk about literally beheading people and those high on this intoxication of absolute righteousness would ONLY care about an issue that Republicans can flaunt their support in favor of.
It was misplaced moral superiority in part that got us here because if you were lulled into not voting or voting third party because one candidate wasn’t “leftist enough” when the alternative is someone popular with an entrenched imobile base of support who wants to make sure leftistism dies dead then you failed to get the assignment.
Because the alternative involves accepting that moving to the right has failed as a strategy, and they don’t want to do anything else.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about
In other words, the people that refused to cater to the cultic cognitive dissonance are to blame and Democrats will learn nothing.
Look at Michigan. Nobody was going to ignore Gaza into a victory. The memes and posts were warnings, not divisions. When it became clear she wanted to take a path close to Biden most of us even laid off because it was clear it was more harmful to keep going.
But it turns out that asking the relatives of genocide victims to vote for someone who won’t commit to stopping it is not a good campaign strategy. The divide in Michigan is well within the 140,000 strong registered voters in the Arab community.
Take your fucking L like an adult.
Ok, but like at the end of the day, Michigan didn’t fucking matter… it was over the minute Trump won PA . Besides that, look at the demographics and how they voted. Young people, those most likely to care about the Gazan genocide, split the vote by gender for Trump and Kamala. Specifically young white and Latino men overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Is that supposed to indicate that caring about the genocide in Gaza, something Trump has repeatedly talked about amping up, is something that the vast majority of the voting populace cared about? No. Kamala got 14 million less votes than Biden did in 2020, and I’m tired of this same gaza, black woman, etc spiel. It can’t be chalked up to these things alone. The democrats ran an appointed candidate that never would have won a primary on her own, and got the consequences of that.
The blame is not on Biden, nor is it on Harris for not caring about Gaza. The blame lies squarely on democratic party for not figuring out a plan sooner, and the 14 million voters that appeared 4 years ago when it was trendy, but not now when the threat is most grim. Not to mention the fact that not voting for Kamala when her opponent has not only stated that he will allow Israel to continue, but will actually ramp up their genocide is just fucking stupidity, no two ways about it. Just as we tell Trump voters not to vote with their feelings and to listen to rational arguments, we must tell left-leaning voters the same.
Gaza was also a big issue for Gen Z, and blaming the voters for not liking you has never ever made them vote for you.
Did you even read my comment? Gen z split along gender lines, especially the Latino and white vote, as seen above. It was a big issue for gen z, but clearly, given the demographics of voters and exit poll answers, Gaza had very little to do with the outcome of this election. Please go fucking read about what happened in the election before making more arguments in which you have no idea what you’re talking about. Like, fuck, just read about it before commenting.
There’s 13 million votes missing and you don’t think there’s any chance of a significant group of Gen Z men being in that group? Gen Z men went for Trump by 2 percentage points. You don’t think there’s 2 percentage points of Gen Z men who decided not to vote because of the biggest issue polled among gen Z men?
And if Gaza and Michigan wasn’t a big deal then why are you even here? The entire discussion in this thread is about Gaza posters. Michigan going red is a pretty big fucking deal. It’s what pushes this from a tip over to a solid win for Trump. Even if Harris got PA, she wouldn’t have won and what percentage of Democrats stayed home in PA because she ran a neoliberal campaign?
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. Gaza was not the biggest issue among gen z voters and while there is a chance that young men didn’t vote for Kamala because of that, it’s much more likely it was general disdain for the democratic candidate. 14 million voters can’t be explained by gen z in any way shape or form anyway, considering the number of gen z voters that did show up. Why am I here? Because it’s fun to use lemmy and have discussions about politics.
Michigan going red is not a big deal. This is an almost exact repeat of trumps 2016 electoral victory yet you’re acting like he’s treading new ground entirely lmfao. Yes, even if Harris got PA she wouldn’t have won, but after PA was lost, literally nothing else mattered. There was exactly zero chance she won without PA whereas she actually had a path to victory without Michigan. I personally live in PA and I can tell you that I know exactly zero democrats that didn’t vote because of Gaza. Fun fact about that too: I was literally going door to door doing political canvassing, and what I can tell you, overwhelmingly, is that anybody whose top issue was Gaza was easily convinced that Harris is the better choice, whereas tons of men my age (older gen z) were intending to vote Trump because of the economy and inflation, and though he is completely indefensible economically, these were the significantly harder group to convince. If you want to go bring me some numbers as to why you’re right feel free, but so far ALL anecdotal and empirical evidence that I’ve seen shows Gaza not to have been a big issue this election.
Gaza was also a big issue for Gen Z
It was a convenient excuse for their apathy.
Even if it was, you can not win by berating the people whose votes you need. You just can’t.
And if that was their biggest issue they have a point. If the choice is genocide or genocide then why even bother?
L like
Pronounced “yike” as in Spanish. This is called eliding.
asking the relatives of genocide victims to vote for someone
There are 160,000 Palestinian-Americans. Most of them originate in the West Bank (especially Ramallah) and Jerusalem. Almost none of them are in Michigan. Michigan’s Arab-Americans are mostly Lebanese-descended.
People with family ties to Gaza were a vanishingly small percentage of the electorate. They’re vastly outnumbered by the people who were suckered by the “Dems = Genocide” concern-trolling.
And yet that community in Michigan told us they have lost entire branches of their families. I’m going to believe the actual people in the community.
