What you have to do in the us: bitch for 3 years about all your problems, then shut up for a year so the party that wants to genocide you doesnt get elected, and then you can start your bitching about everyday problems again. Its very sad that these two things occupy the same space.
Fuck the trains. Let’s talk about the genocide.
Right I’m sure people are refusing to vote Harris over trains and not literal genocide lol
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- There are two choices in the United States 2024 election. No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning. No, not even if the 30,000 people you can reach on Lemmy all vote for Timothy Greenparty.
- A Trump victory in 2024 would not only be just as bad if not worse for the citizens of Gaza than Harris would (Harris has at least said she wants Israel to stop. Trump wants them to finish the job), but would also pose an existential threat to a large number of vulnerable Americans (trans people, immigrants, women seeking abortions).
- Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don’t vote for her.
- Snoozing fascism for four years is better than inviting it through the door now, and buys us time to build our defenses for when it comes back.
- Regardless of whether you do anything else to fight fascism or not, if you don’t vote, or you vote third party, you raise the chances that a Hitler admirer will enter the white house.
I’d like to focus my counterargument. Which of these statements do you disagree with?
tl;dr “nothing matters, everyone except me is an idiot”
truly i bow to your vast intellect
Did you even read any of that shit at all, or did you just decide to respond with a catty nothing clapback that preserves your own ego, while also calling me like. I dunno, pretentious, I guess?
Go read through that thread I linked, then read through the politics thread before that, and the thread before that. I dunno, just like, have been on the internet since the year 2000. Maybe even before. This shit, with the same exact responses, happens every election cycle, with the same idiotic arguments trotted out every year about whatever stupid issue decides to crop to the forefront, and nobody can ever elevate the conversation to actually be about what voting actually does, or what activism actually looks like. So the needle never gets moved. It’s all just, totally confined to some spectacular conversation where people decide to removed about politics as though they’re talking about celebrity drama. Nobody ever breaks through, everybody stays in their own little chambers, in their own little boxes, exactly where they’re supposed to be.
All of what I’m saying in that post, which I’ve probably made like, 4 or 5 times at this point, on this website alone, to say nothing of the times I’ve had to make that post on sites before it, is basic, civics 101 level stuff. It’s the basic functioning of the system in which we live, probably shit you should be required to learn before you start voting.
Fuck me, I guess, for being tired of restating myself over and over and over and over and over and over again, drowned out among a chorus of people deciding to actively harm the harris campaign by vote-scolding, like what you’re doing, which measurably, tangibly harms the thing you seem to want to succeed. I guarantee you, we all already know that the third parties are not going to get elected president. We all already know that shit.
all i know is that you wrote almost 1500 words about why voting is pointless and then did not provide any alternatives
you advocated for voting in local elections, but not before saying that voting in local elections is pointless because local politicians can be easily bribed. you advocated for joining unions, but not before saying one should be wary of doing so because unions can be captured by the institution, however that’s supposed to happen.
all there is in that thread is 1500 words of doomerism. fuck doomerism, ima vote.
by the way, stop putting your own words on a pedestal just because you wrote them when you were slightly less sleep deprived. i’ve tried it before. it rarely works out well.
4 years later: “THIS election is super important. We’ll talk about the trains in another 4 years.”
Haha! Yeah, fuck lgbtq people, disabled people, people on medicare, black people, hispanic people, non-christians, and the poor. Put them in camps. They just bitch and moan anyway. I’m sure there are other people calling this a dangerous election who just say it every year, stuff them in the camps too! We gotta make them trains run on time!
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The lack of an /s in your comment worries me, especially since the entire conversation is about the fact that there are those among us who say what you just said with no hint of sarcasm.
Then I guess a bit of critical thinking will need to be applied. My comment was very obvious sarcasm.
Are you worried because someone might think me, a trans woman, is advocating for the internment of everyone who is not a white cishetero male Christian nationalist in favor of trains running in time? Cause… Me too honestly.
I get that the state of the US is abysmal, but if anyone is taking that comment seriously I hope they choke on a shotgun. /srs
The mistake is thinkkng that critical thinking is a common reaction these days.
There are latinos who are supporting trump. Trump is the same guy who already seperated families, detained them in what ammounts to essentially a metal box in the Texas heat, without release, or water, until they died. Children seperated from families, still to this day not reunited, some of which never will be, because some died.
That’s not some hyperbole “this could happen” dramatic statement. I’m saying 2016-2020 he already DID do these things, and bragged about doing them. He bragged about killing people because they were latino.
There are latino trump voters and supporters in 2024. So, no. I don’t assume everyone will automatically know your comment was dripping in sarcasm, I don’t assume anyone will know your life story, and I don’t assume everyone will vote in their best interests. People play politics like sports teams these days.
Ask me more about my life story! So far you have this:
- I’m a trans woman.
- I engage with trolls.
- I like sarcasm a lot.
As for your sports team context, if I played this like sports, I’d turn the TV off. Unfortunately, I was kidnapped and placed on the field in a cage, and if one side wins I get shot. The other side wins and I get to hang out in the cage some more. There’s a small contingency in the crowd calling to burn the stadium down with everyone on the field (including me) and half of the crowd going down with it. /m
Oh, also, apologies about missing all of the tone tags. /gen
Then I guess a bit of critical thinking will need to be applied. My comment was very obvious sarcasm.
/nbr, /ay but also /nay
Are you worried because someone might think me, a trans woman, is advocating for the internment of everyone who is not a white cishetero male Christian nationalist in favor of trains running in time? Cause… Me too honestly.
/gen
I get that the state of the US is abysmal, but if anyone is taking that comment seriously I hope they choke on a shotgun. /srs
/nay
Do you honestly think people would take my first comment seriously? /gen A simple perusal of my post history shows how much I fucking loathe Trump and republicans and I’m starting to get sick of hearing solutions to our government that amount to “stop compromising and burn it to the ground” without any regard for the consequences or reality. /lh
EDIT: That last portion after my question was /nay, just to be clear. There’s others in these comments who are basically saying that because everything sucks or kinda sucks we need to end it, even if it hurts other people. /gen
The argument for Trump isn’t that he’ll make the trains run on time. He’s more like the guy who’ll shut down the trains and sell them for scrap.
Trump is the guy you vote for because he hates the same people you hate.
I’m not posting a Snopes link or whatever, but it was Mussolini who allegedly got the trains running on time, and he didn’t anyway. Improvements to the Italian rail system were begun under the previous government, and actually the trains weren’t particularly punctual under his regime anyway.
First of all, Trump is the most incompetent person to ever set foot in the white house. He couldn’t make the trains run on time or he needed them to get away from a lawsuit. Second, Harris is going to be a great president if she is elected. Let’s just hope she is.
I keep seeing the trump hitler analogy but where’s the actual evidance. I did also see a yt vid of a holocaust survivor saying that the trump hitler analogy is offensive and wrong so just kinda seems like propaganda ngl.
The evidence is up your ass, where you pull all of your opinions from.
Well this isnt a good faith engagement of ideas this is just i have no argument and i must scream.
You just asked where’s ð evidence ð kids in cages guy might be on ð hitler spectrum and ðen got pissy people didn’t assume you were asking a good faiþ question.
I generally disdain google is your friend comments, but bro, use some common sense.
Wait, Trump is promising to make the trains run on schedule too?
Is there anything he won’t copy?
Fuck that, let’s talk about the trains in February. That’s the problem…too many of us are petulant fucking children who keep waiting until the night before it’s due to do our damned homework. Be better.
Quoþ ð Tankies, “BUT DEMS SAME ÐO!”
