• twinnie@feddit.uk
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    17 days ago

    I spent today trying to install a USB WiFi dongle in Debian. On Windows it took about 5 seconds, I still haven’t got it working on Debian.

    • kusivittula@sopuli.xyz
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      17 days ago

      i have been lucky with all my computers and peripherals, everything worked out of the box. but there’s a weird issue in our household, none of the windows machines can connect or stay connected to our wifi but all phones and linux machines have no issues…

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      17 days ago

      What brand? In my experience Linux is very persnickety about USB Wifi/Bluetooth adapters.

      When I was buying mine a couple years back I had several failures before finding some kind of master list of supported devices.

      I dont have the list anymore, but everything I bought was TP-Link cause TP-Link appeared very frequently in the list from what i recall.

    • Grass@sh.itjust.works
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      17 days ago

      I only buy accessories that will work without having to manually install anything. The whole concept of end users installing drivers can go to hell.

    • dingdong@lemm.eeEnglish
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      17 days ago

      Is it one of those ASUS or similar ones? There is a wifi dongle that has drivers for linux, and says on the box linux support, but actually both the kernel and the provided drivers for the chipset are broken, you need to clone the github of the CHIP manufacturer, and compile it. After that, it works.

    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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      17 days ago

      Yep, had to fuck around for a while on Mint, managed to get it working with a driver found on GitHub and disabling the default driver and making sure it’s plugged in an USB 3.0 port… As you say, plug and play on Windows.

  • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
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    16 days ago

    Turning an OS to subscription based. World class assholes. The alternative is win11, which is even more shit while they are working hard to fuck that shitshow even more up. Yeah, Linux is the way to go.

    • woelkchen@lemmy.world
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      16 days ago

      Win11 is definitely a lot better than Win10. The improvements around WSL alone are worth the upgrade.

      Sure, the new start menu sucks but there are easy workarounds for that.

        • woelkchen@lemmy.world
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          16 days ago

          You’re joking right?!? 😂

          No, why would I? I nowhere said that Win11 is the best OS, btw, but from the perspective of a Linux user, Win11’s WSL2 is a massive improvement over WSL 1.0 in Win10.

          If you’re looking for a Win10 fanboy, maybe look in a different community, not a Linux one.

          • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
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            16 days ago

            Win10 runs faster and more stable then win11. Don’t get me started on all the limitations win11 introduced, next to all the ads and loss of control of settings.

            • woelkchen@lemmy.world
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              16 days ago

              Win10 runs faster and more stable then win11.

              Bogus. They are the same in that regard. Stability is mostly dependent on used hardware and drivers these days.

              Don’t get me started on all the limitations win11 introduced

              Please do get started and how they weigh more than than WSL2.

              next to all the ads

              Win10 also has ads, MS added more ads through updates. My work desktop PC runs Win10, my work notebook runs Win11. I have the comparison on a daily basis.

              and loss of control of settings.

              A few minor things around taskbar placement. Even though my personal preference is a vertical taskbar on the left screen edge, it’s less important than WSL2.

              • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
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                16 days ago

                Bogus. They are the same in that regard. Stability is mostly dependent on used hardware and drivers these days.

                Ah, so all the tests must be wrong then. All the articles must be mistaken.

                A few minor things around taskbar placement. Even though my personal preference is a vertical taskbar on the left screen edge, it’s less important than WSL2.

                Just that? Then where are the old settings? The old configuration screen? It’s gone now in win11.

                Win10 also has ads, MS added more ads through updates. My work desktop PC runs Win10, my work notebook runs Win11. I have the comparison on a daily basis.

                I only had ads for win11 and office365 on win10. That’s it. Win11 has loads of ads.

          • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
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            16 days ago

            Yeah, I’d like to have discussions with people who have factual based opinions and I don’t mind changing my opponion when they come with properly factual supported arguments. However, opinions based on feelings I do not understand and I do not feel like a discussion is even possible as I cannot argue against a feeling, no matter how factual my arguments are. It’s why I do not argue with religious people. They claim a monopoly in the truth. How unfactual their claim may be, there is no argument which they do not see as a personal attack.

            So either someone is joking when saying a pile of shit is actually kinda nice, or they lost all connection to reality.

    • CaptnNMorgan@lemmy.world
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      16 days ago

      Windows 11 isn’t that bad. Like any other OS, you have to get used to certain things, but overall I don’t understand why people have such an issue with it, other than Microsoft being a shitty company

      • areyouevenreal@lemm.ee
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        16 days ago

        I mean for one it supports a lot less hardware. Second it’s significantly less reliable. Third it has thing like Co-Pilot built-in. I don’t know how people aren’t criticizing it more frankly.

      • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
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        16 days ago
        • It’s slower then 10.
        • They recently disabled the old configuration screens, meaning you have only the fancy looking broken settings. Try to remove a Bluetooth device. You can’t. “failed to remove device”. It can’t forget the Bluetooth data. This is one of many flaws. Many settings are gone now.
        • it’s impossible to remove Edge now.
        • there are ads within the OS.
        • they stopped support for several apps, for instance to use the Xbox kinect as a 3D scanner.
        • it’s now harder, sometimes impossible, to boot from a USB as win11 has too much control over the bios and makes UEFI sometimes impossible to use. It automatically boots into windows, even when told otherwise, and “repairs” the changes made.

        I can continue for hours why win11 sucks donkey balls. Recent news from MS about their plans for win11 are also very troublesome. As well as the paid subscription for win10 for security updates. Like, wtf! I have 3 machines running win10, so I need to pay 90 a year? For real? Just so I won’t have to use the win11 aids.

  • SpikesOtherDog@ani.social
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    17 days ago

    I have to say that I am getting pretty good at Linux. I use it on my gaming desktop, my 8 year old Lenovo, on a specialized workstation at work, and I have two servers running it. It’s approaching general utility.

    That said, I am being defeated by Broadcom wireless drivers on a HP Enterprise laptop. They aren’t just working, and the wireless soft switch isn’t just turning on. Until we can get to the point where the average user can just try a bunch of .deb (or whatever) files until they hit the jackpot, it isn’t going to be as easily adopted.

    • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
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      16 days ago

      That’s defo Broadcom’s fault. Unfortunately when Linux is a second class citizen, hardware vendors will make crappy Windows and maybe Mac drivers, but a lot of Linux support seems like it needs to be reverse engineered or something, if the company itself refuses to play ball. :(

      This was the case with NVIDIA for a long while. Still kinda is. Hopefully that’s improving though.

      • SpikesOtherDog@ani.social
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        16 days ago

        It is absolutely Broadcom’s fault, but it’s also still the state of things.

        Thanks to Ubuntu, Mint is quite well endowed with functional software. If it can receive the same level of support as Windows or MacOS, it will probably outpace them both.

    • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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      16 days ago

      It’ll probably be 2025, when adoption hits 5% a few months before Windows 10 support ends. The 5% will make people take Linux more seriously when looking for alternatives to Windows 10, which will increase adoption even more, which will cause hardware and software providers to offer better Linux support, which will just cause the whole thing to snowball.

      • woelkchen@lemmy.world
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        16 days ago

        The “year of the Linux desktop” was ages ago when Intel started developing drivers upstream in Linux, Mesa, and Xorg. This lead do AMD and others doing the same. None of the current developments, including Steam Deck, would have happened without that.

        • frayedpickles@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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          15 days ago

          And xp bud, Linux users are highly deluded about what makes a good desktop OS. Look at how many of them enjoy gnome 🤮

    • iopq@lemmy.world
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      16 days ago

      It was actually 2022, the year when steam deck released. The proton compatibility shot through the roof. Linux now supports a far wider array of software than MacOS, even.

      • NutWrench@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        16 days ago

        Proton is amazing. All the Steam games I bought in Windows run great in Linux Mint.

  • oo1@lemmings.worldEnglish
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    17 days ago

    Linuxmemes should instigate a new rule.

    Replies should not be serious, boring and/or don’t to know seem to know what a stupid memepost is for.

    Windows users should be rebutting this with equally stupid memes about xorg.conf or cups or maybe another panel where death is unable to kill windows because it lost the archlinux-keyring to unlock the scythe.

    • KokusnussRitter@discuss.tchncs.de
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      17 days ago

      Thing is, and I say that as a windows user with a little experience in linux: I got no idea what you are talking about, and I doubt many windows users do.

      • oo1@lemmings.worldEnglish
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        17 days ago

        Make some other stupid meme or joke that windows does understand then. Maybe it turns our death is secretly using adobe creative cloud on a windows to design the gravestones.

        I m not going on /c/windowsmemes to make boring serious complaints about why I don’t understand regedit.

        You’ve got to at least to be funny about it on a meme, otherwise it’s just depressing. Theres enough deprssing shit on the serious linux forums.

        Or maybe there should be a new meme community linuxwindowstrollbait that is for snarky comments.

        Or maybe I just stop moaning and unsubscribe fron this one.

  • DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    17 days ago

    Windows 10 was actually ok when you got past some of the awful stuff. Nowhere as good as 7, but it did the job for me for years.

    Windows 11 got announced though and I immediately switched to Linux lol.

    • Mwa@lemm.eeEnglish
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      15 days ago

      I still dualboot 10 since it’s better then 11 and still supported, I don’t feel brave switching to linux completely.

    • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
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      16 days ago

      Yeah I honestly legit enjoyed my fond time with old Windows machines back when they were fun and user-oriented instead of the user-exploitative SAAS monsters they are now.

      Win10 wasn’t even SO bad as everyone says…well, until recently when they started forcing Microsoft Accounts on install and harass you with their ads every 3 forced updates. Ugh.

      Now they’re on the Ai bandwagon? Yeah they’re real small in my rearview mirror now.

      I think it’s just a different landscape now, and I’m glad Linux was there to jump to after all these companies started losing their collective minds.

  • CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    17 days ago

    Worked on me, I finally switched (like, REALLY switched) on my primary PC this year after using Linux only for servers and hobby projects for a long time. My only regret is that I may not live long enough to have used Linux longer than I used Windows. I’d have to make it to my mid 80’s just to break even.

    Valve gets all the credit. Gaming was the main thing holding me back all this time.

    • Cort@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      My only regret is that I may not live long enough to have used Linux longer than I used Windows.

      I hear that, I’ve been using Windows since '98, and only had Linux on my primary computer for a few weeks. I didn’t think I’ll be going back even though HDR support is spotty.

      • CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        17 days ago

        I’ve been using Windows since 3.11. I’ve been supporting it for a career since 1998 (although almost entirely servers not desktops for the last 23 years). I’m tired of Microsoft’s bullshit.

        On the other hand, my expertise at resolving their (server) bullshit over the last couple decades sure did pay well. So I guess it wasn’t all bad. But these days they can kiss my ass.

      • CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml
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        15 days ago

        HDR support is spotty but holy fuck was it bad when I was using windows

        Playing my HDR game? Add a few seconds of loading time while my screen turns off and then on. In game it’s fine, but alt-tab, or receive a notification while playing, and the screen has to turn off and on again to display the SDR content, which takes long enough for the notification to be gone anyway. I can’t even tell you how good or bad the HDR is on my screen lmao

        7800x3D / 7900XTX / Samsung Neo G9 OLED, so really it’s not an hardware issue

    • Aceticon@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      Same here and for me too it was gaming holding me back, though I mostly buy my games via GoG hence use Lutris and it’ve had a pretty low rate of games that won’t work at all (and, curiously, one of them which won’t work in Steam works fine if I use a pirated version with Lutris), though maybe 1/3 require some tweaking to work properly.

      It’s also interesting that by gaming in Linux with Lutris I can make it safer and protect my privacy because Lutris let’s me do things like run the game inside a firejail sandbox which I have set up as default for all games including disabling network access for the game.

      Still have the Windows partition around just in case, though the only time I booted it in the last several months was to clean up some of the stuff to free one of the disks to make it a dedicated Linux disk.

      • CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        17 days ago

        Yeah I haven’t completely gotten rid of Windows. I have it installed on another SSD but in the last 8 months since I switched, I’ve only needed it for Dyson Sphere Project (needed AutoHotKey), Deadlock (crashes too often in Linux and they ban you for 2 hours every time you leave a game), and whenever I feel like playing C&C Generals which for some reason runs like absolute dogshit on my Linux box despite everything else working fine.

        But that Windows SSD has nothing, NOTHING on it but Steam games and Winamp. Microsoft isn’t getting access to a damn thing anymore when it comes to personal data. I’m tired of protecting myself against them, and FFS I’ve been a Microsoft backoffice sysadmin for over 25 years so I know how, but I’m still sick of it! I don’t even surf the web on that install. I play my game and when I’m done I boot back to Tumbleweed!

        Gonna have to look into Lutris, I really like the idea of that sandboxing!

        • Aceticon@lemmy.world
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          16 days ago

          For sandboxing in Lutris you’ll want to have a look at the “Command Prefix” option under “Runner options” - whatever you put there prefixes the command that runs the game, which is exactly how sandboxing with things like firejail works (i.e. you start your stuff from the command line with firejail firejail-args your-stuff your-stuff-args so you literally prefix your command with firejail).

          It’s possible to configure it game by game and also as a global default for all games which you can then override for only some games (this later is how I run it).

          Lutris also integrates with Steam so you can run Steam games from it.

    • Eager Eagle@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      17 days ago

      it’s interesting they call it windows subsystem for linux

      - oh, so it’s a subsystem for Linux?

      - no, it’s a windows subsystem

      - …for Linux?

      - kind of, I guess

      • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
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        16 days ago

        “Linux is open source and free! You can do whatever you want with it! It’s our thing!”

        Microsoft: “Whatever I want with it?..Free?..Hm…This is my thing .”

    • stupidcasey@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      I found WSL kinda useless when it first came out, you didn’t have any low level access and they explicitly refused ssh connections unless you paid for windows professional and interacting with files on windows was either impossible or just very buggy I’m still not quite sure which, I think the problem was that they used the wrong slash in the file system and most programs that interacted with it didn’t understand that, not to mention networking was a chore.

    • woelkchen@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      WSL is the best thing that’s ever happened to windows

      WSL is great but the NT kernel was/is more important, then userspace GPU drivers (which Linux still lacks), then WSL.

      People now in their 20s don’t realize how utterly bad Win9x and then the first consumer grade NT-based WinXP were (and those older may have forgotten). Win7, 10, and 11 are paradise by comparison. These days I can cope with Windows. I don’t love it but it’s not a daily cause of anger like the Windows dark ages. Heck, winget even makes software installation bearable.

      • frayedpickles@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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        17 days ago

        Winget-ui (renamed to something annoying I choose not to remember) is pretty great. Does Winget, Choco, pip, and some others. Better package manager ui by far than the laggy garbage on a lot of Linux distros, even if you do have to deal with annoying UAC nonsense on the regular.

    • Daemon Silverstein@thelemmy.club
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      17 days ago

      OpenIndiana (Solaris), OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Haiku, AROS (AmigaOS), GNU Hurd, MINIX, ReactOS, TempleOS and others: allow us to introduce ourselves…

    • woelkchen@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      MacOS: Am I a joke to you?

      MacOS (X) used to be the absolute best operating system around but ever since Apple became a phone company and Macs are merely an afterthought, macOS is indeed mostly a joke, not because the technological foundation is bad (actually that is quite good) but because of Apple’s dumb commercial decisions: The absolutely dumbest thing is Metal (their non-standard take on DirectX), deprecating OpenGL, and not adopting Vulkan.

    • stupidcasey@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      Hay guys, wanna hear a joke?

      What distro did the sysadmin suggest when someone was sick of Windows?

      Mac Os.

  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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    17 days ago

    Keep dreaming, people will keep on using Windows because they don’t care about the bloat, they just want something that works and that doesn’t require fucking around for hours every time they plug something new in!

    • herrvogel@lemmy.world
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      16 days ago

      I use Linux myself, but my work laptop they gave me is windows. I can honestly say that I believe in near future the average Linux experience is going to be smoother than windows. Because I cannot believe how insanely annoying windows 11 is. It’s really not good. And modern Linux has more than good enough software and hardware compatibility.

      But of course it’s gonna take a long while before Linux overtakes windows because social inertia. And that’s not gonna change easily because there is no humongous international corporation that spends billions every year to get their Linux based OS pre-installed on almost every new computer.

      • Zink@programming.dev
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        16 days ago

        My work laptop was your standard Dell with windows and M365. I am now able to dual boot Linux, which is what my computer boots into by default now.

        I can honestly say that in the current day, Linux Mint gives a much smoother experience on the same hardware. It even supports multiple monitors better.

        I will grant that I’m a computer nerd like plenty of others here, so there may be some speed bumps that didn’t even register for me. But everything from installation, to daily use, to updates, is SO much smoother and faster.

          • Zink@programming.dev
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            15 days ago

            In windows I can only use 3 monitors. If I open up the laptop to introduce a 4th screen in windows, a pair of my monitors will Be duplicating the dang image.

            In Mint I tried the same and it just worked, 4 individual monitors without issue.

            • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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              15 days ago

              I run 4 on Windows and Mint on a daily basis and setting it up on Mint was a worse experience… Sounds like a you issue if you can’t get it to work on Windows.

              • Zink@programming.dev
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                15 days ago

                Sounds like a you issue if you had trouble with Mint. Right click the desktop -> display settings and oh look, 4 monitors to easily configure. Sounds kind of silly without more information doesn’t it?

                My hardware at work is all Dell stuff so good chance it’s their fault. But it still doesn’t affect the Linux side.

    • kusivittula@sopuli.xyz
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      17 days ago

      i doubt the average user even understands what an operating system means and they’ll just go with thatever it came with

      • lad@programming.dev
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        17 days ago

        To be fair, I’m using Linux, MacOS with Darwin Nix for managing it, Windows, and I still am not sure what exactly is an operating system, what’s the role of kernel and all of the possible system software is. Well, I think kernel is for hardware abstraction, but other than that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        • Lightfire228@pawb.social
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          17 days ago

          The kernel does stuff like

          • process and CPU task management
          • hardware abstraction
          • memory management (at the process level),
          • file system managment
          • and resource isolation (such as randomized memory addresses (ASLR))

          The rest of the OS provides the actual software that users interact with, like

          • file managers
          • desktop rendering and window management
          • settings menus
          • sound mixing between applications
          • graphics rendering
      • BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world
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        17 days ago

        Can confirm, I am a windows user and if my laptop came with Linux preinstalled, the way it had windows preinstalled, I’d be a Linux user.

        If I ever have to Google what the hell a kernel is then I have read everything else available on the internet.

    • spookex@lemmy.world
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      15 days ago

      It really is amazing how I can mess up Linux installs for the weirdest of reasons.

      Install arch from scratch on a laptop? Now it either doesn’t go to sleep when you close the laptop or a kernel panick.

      Manjaro? Edited the config for the touchpad (of course it’s a random config file that you have to change line by line and read 3 wiki pages for, because Linux) because it doesn’t feel like windows and ran updates from the built in manager within the os. Now it doesn’t boot at all and causes the boot logo to ghost while using windows 10 installed on another partition.

      Pop_os? Worked mostly fine, used it for months, broke it only once when using the built in package manager somehow fixed it, but stopped using that laptop and now I can’t boot into it at all.

      Not to mention all of the software that partially doesn’t work or work at all. Like, my personal choice for image editing is paint.net, it’s not a useless meme like MS Paint, but also isn’t the equivalent of using a bucket wheel excavator for digging a hole in your backyard like Gimp. It also doesn’t work on Linux at all

    • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
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      16 days ago

      Yes they do. They know a Mac is different to a PC and they know a phone isn’t the same as a desktop. They just don’t know what that’s called. They still have an intuitive understanding. They still understand that phones do annoying things like denying file system access. They understand that Microsoft products make it harder to save files for no reason. Most people understand the appeal of Linux if you explain it in familiar language. They’ve just been conditioned by society to fear change.

      • Mandy@sh.itjust.works
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        16 days ago

        sorry man you are a perfect example of the comic.
        cause most people also dont know what denying system file access even means.

        • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
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          16 days ago

          Drag is using language you can understand easily, because drag is talking to you. To a normal person, drag would say “You know how on your phone, you can’t just look at your files? Like you have a separate app for photos, and documents, and you can’t just look at all your files from one app like you can on PC? Well, you can actually if you use an android. Here’s the app that does it: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.nbu.files&hl=en_AU”

          Drag even casually named an operating system during that speech, and would have been understood perfectly by most people.

          • alsimoneau@lemmy.ca
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            16 days ago

            Kids today barely know what a file is. I have to regularly explain folders and file types. When I asked them where they saved a thing, they answer “On the computer” and look at me like I’m crazy for asking that.

  • Maggoty@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    I’ll be that guy. Up to ME it was pretty good and it just worked. Then it took up the every other version being good thing that we’re used to up to 10. It’s only really now that they’re trying to kill 10 and push us onto 11 that it’s really become a problem.