See, I’ve been reading Common Sense by Thomas Paine, and it’s perfect example of something impossible today.

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    There was never a point in time where a single person could change even the majority of people’s opinions.

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      Most change happened with 20% supporting, 20% opposing, and the rest not giving a shit and waiting to get behind whomever wins

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    Too bad more people didn’t have their minds changed by Paine’s “Agrarian Justice”. What a banger.

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    Seems a bit of an exaggeration to say everyone. The population at the time of the revolution was around 2.5 million. Of that maybe 500,000 were the land owning white male “patriots” that would support the revolution and of those maybe half read or were influenced by Thomas Payne so around 250,000. We tend to attach a lot of significance after the fact to the American revolution, and Adam’s, Payne etc. Since it spawned one of the greatest empires the world has ever known but at the time it was a relatively minor tax revolt.

    this isn’t even a matter of the world in general was smaller back then, France at that time had a population of 28 million. Payne would go on to have less success in convincing everyone there on his ideas because the scale is just so much more massive. Same with modern day.

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      If he took that ride, western civ looks a lot more fucked right now.

      China and Russia be looking at us like we’re the menu.

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        That one came out of left field.

        Trump was taking a premature victory lap, and hires a comedian to warm up the warm up the crowd, and the proceeded exactly like Trump wanted.

        And then everyone suddenly wakes up and says wait, these hate spewing assholes are actually hate spewing assholes.

        All because one comedian didn’t use the code words.

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          Oh, I thought he meant Zelensky.

          You are shrooming if you think the puerto rico garbage comment does anything but drive up voting in the south.

          They know they’re the only Real Americans, everyone else on the planet is garbage to them.

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            No, it won’t change the minds of his base.

            But there are people he wouldn’t consider his base, that also tend to vote conservative, who were actually offended by some of those jokes. And then realized that hey, Trump and company are white nationalists, and that means that no minority will be safe.

            It’s a tiny minority of Trump supporters, but as close as this election could be, that’s more than enough.

            Now, Trump is planning on stealing the election anyway. Via disrupting or delaying certification of votes past December 11th, Which then means that there will be incomplete slates of electors, which means the election goes to the House, and each State gets one vote instead of the house itself voting.

            They’re going to try to use Section three of the 20th amendment.

            If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died, the Vice President-elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President-elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President-elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President-elect nor a Vice President-elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

            Fun times to live in…