That’s fine, at least they just increased the family plan pricing by 60%. Oh, wait.
Yeah, 20€ instead of 13 for me
People who use premium should organize to vow to publicly shame and boycott any company putting adds in their premium plan.
Like anti commercials.
Yeah, the daymy I see an ad is the day I cancel my subscription
Premium doesn’t mean private
They are diversifying their plans to enhance user experience or some bullshit
They even said it was a mistake when someone said they got ads before and it went viral. Google is evil.
Do? No! Evil!
Tbf it was already very telling when they removed that slogan
I heard tell from a Gen Xer who said cable TV used to not have ads.
Mixed truth. They carried broadcast networks that always had ads. Fox, NBC, ABC all had ads.
Comcast would even overwrite one or two of the network ads with their own ads. A commercial break would start, some life insurance BS would start playing audio compressed all to hell so it’s twice as loud, at the end, you’d catch 5 seconds of some toy commercial and then one or two other regular network commercials.Premium channels like HBO didn’t have ‘ads,’ but they did have station identification and self-promotion for what’s coming to the platform in the near future. They wouldn’t break the movies up, though, only in between. A few standouts didn’t start with ads like Nickelodeon, but eventually got them.
Saturday cartoons on USA and TNT certainly had ads from day one.
Our national tv channel is lawfully barred from running commercials.
They just changed the definition of ads they run to “messages of commercial importance” or some dumb shit like that. And just like that, ads on the national channel are suddenly a-ok
PBS here has ads. They are short, but there are ads nonetheless. This is over and above the ads for their own shows that will be on the channel at a later date.
And some people argue against the death penalty. Argh.
You’re lying. I can’t imagine this so it must be false!
We are just one step away from YouTube being a paid only service.
I think that would be the death of the platform
I’m even wondering how people can use it as it is without ad blockers or clients like newpipe
Every time I use it on not-my-device I’m losing my nerves, because I have to watch at least 2 ads for a 1min video, when I want to show someone something
The same way people watched cable TV for decades. The slow ramp up of ads has a portion of the population prepped to be slightly frustrated, but willing to deal with it.
But yeah having been spoiled with no ads for years now, I have to mute my parents TV every time I go over. Even muted, there’s still something about lots of ads that draws my eye more than whatever the actual show is. Drives me nuts.
Just to be clear, ads free cable TV was a thing on a very small minority of cable channels for less than 10 years (from 81 up until 87 if I recall the research I did on the subject correctly), the only reason people keep talking about it is because they didn’t live it. At first the vast majority of cable channels were just regular channels from regions too far away to get a signal for with antennas and cable only channels mostly had ads as well, there were something like four of them that didn’t.
I wasn’t really referring to the free years, but the many years where people put up with increasingly loud and lengthy commercial breaks which became so invasive that shows would literally design their beats around being interrupted
It would be a tragedy if youtube collapsed. There are so many useful and important videos on there. I passed the second year of my engineering bachelor almost exclusively by studying from youtube (the lectures at my college are useless), the vast breadth of content available on that platform simply does not exist anywhere else, and archiving all of it would be a monumental task. With youtube being a net loss for google for multiple years in a row, it’s not outside the realm of possibility that if they can’t make it profitable, they might just… shut it down like they did with Plus.
Maybe we should start mirroring to a federated service
Just some time ago, I was thinking about some P2P Video service, where everyone would provide the data they have - so like a BitTorrent YouTube
But I’m not sure if that would be viable
Just some time ago, I was thinking about some P2P Video service, where everyone would provide the data they have - so like a BitTorrent YouTube
It’s called PeerTube. It uses activitypub, the same federation protocol as lemmy. Large creators could certainly afford to host their own videos. Some federation/self-hosting/free software creators already do. Can we have large free-to-use instances where individuals can upload their videos, like we do with Lemmy? I would like to hope so.
But just standing up and copying all of youtube’s content? Like I said, it’s a MONUMENTAL task. There are around 14e9 videos on there. That’s almost two videos for every person on planet earth. And I’m not even sure how useful mirroring would be. It’s important for archival purposes, sure, but it’s not forward-thinking. For a lot of pieces of content, the value comes mainly from the community surrounding it, not the content itself. Mirroring cuts the community out of the content. I believe that If archiving/mirroring efforts are to succeed at anything beyond occupying disk space, they must be focused on a specific type of content, and headed by people who are genuinely passionate about the content they are archiving, not disintrested data hoarders.
PeerTube is really P2P?
Ok, I could have figured because of the name. Now I feel like an idiot…
Yes, it even uses BitTorrent to distribute videos.
When they first started ramping up ads and demonetising more videos for being insufficiently advertiser-friendly, they probably still had enough goodwill from users that if they’d immediately launched YouTube Premium and presented it as a way to both remove ads, and support video creators that couldn’t rely on ad revenue, it would have been decently successful. A good number of YouTubers who had to switch to sponsorships and Patreon could have been pushing for people to subscribe to Premium instead of play Raid: Shadow Legends, which presumably would have boosted subscriber counts, and might have been enough to make YouTube profitable and much more pleasant for both free and premium users than it is today. Instead, they burned through a large amount of goodwill before implementing Premium, so people were already more reluctant, and for a long while it only shared revenue with a select few channels who were already raking in ad money, and was unaffected by view counts, so early Premium subscribers were paying Logan Paul even if they never watched that kind of video, but weren’t paying the channels they actually watched.
I’m even wondering how people can use it as it is without ad blockers or clients like newpipe
I tend to use my TV and don’t have a PiHole. I usually watch 20-45 minute long videos and, for some reason, YouTube actually puts fewer ads on longer videos. Get like maybe two, 30 second ad blocks in a ~25 minute video. But then I’ll get three, 90 second unskippable ad blocks in a 1:30 video. 🤦♂️
IDK why they don’t just have it only show an ad every X minutes, regardless of it being the same video or not. Or what about ads on Shorts? I haven’t seen a single ad the few times I’ve been binging shorts.
There are also videos and entire channels that aren’t monetized at all that never get ads on them. Like when people put a pirated film on there it doesn’t get taken down, it just has no ads.
Probably because shorter videos get more views
But I’m only guessing…
This seems likely to me. The goal is to get it in front of as many eyes as possible, and ppl looking for a quick dopamine hit aren’t typically pulling up videos over 5 mins long. Probably looks better in their stats when they charge absurd prices to advertisers too
Some of the shorts are ads themselves
The guy who took this screenshot and posted it to Reddit likely has Premium Lite, which still shows ads on music videos. The title of the video is probably cut out to hide it.
I think you are right. And the OP look like they are in Germany where they are testing these plans. https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/17/24272930/youtube-cheaper-premium-lite-subscription-limited-ads
Premium Lite is hilarious branding. “Oh, it’s high quality, but like, less. Quality Lite”
Basically the point is that you don’t have to pay for the music side of Premium if you already have a different music subscription, which I think is nice. The branding is a little silly though.
Worse experience than with just ublock origin AND you get to pay for it. Imagine being this much of a sucker
It’s like when they sell a medium pizza but no small. Bitch, you can’t have “medium” if you don’t have a small and large to compare it to!
Actually I don’t know if it’s like that at all…
“All animals are born equal, but some are born more equal than others”
You could also recreate this by using revanced to change the banner to yt premium but forgetting to apply the ad block patch
At what point do content creators stop creating content for this?
When they stop getting paid.
Does anyone even buy anything because of these stupid ads?
I think I heard it put like this once (paraphrasing):
Ads aren’t to make you buy the product. Few people are gonna see a regular commercial about chocolate and go out and buy it. That’s not their intent. They’re meant for brand recognition. They’re about that moment in the supermarket when you have 50 choices of what soda to get. 40 of them are noname and store brands. You’ll almost never try them unless you want to save some money and/or aren’t interested in what you’re buying. But then you have your coke and pepsi. The old reliables - the names that are stuck in your head since forever. And sometimes you’ll want to check out the new mountain dew or dr pepper flavors, cause you’re curious. But when you’re not in the mood for new, when you just want a soda and don’t wanna think about it, you’ll get a coke or a pepsi or one of the few brands whose name you recognize.
After 1000 raid shadow legends ads, guess what you’re gonna feel like trying in 3 months when you get bored of your current mobile game and are scrolling through their top picks for games? “Hmm, Raid shadow legends? I’ve heard about this before, maybe I give it a try”
Sure, it backfires sometimes - for example, I always make it a point to not try out a game if I feel it’s been in too many ads - I don’t wanna waste time in something that blew its entire budget on marketing. But with most people this doesn’t happen. And I’m pretty sure even I tried some item from an ad that I said I’d never get - the name probably just got stuck in my head and I got it without even realizing it.
Marketers make a shit load of money based on human psychology. They wouldn’t be doing it if it didn’t work.
Yes, otherwise companies would not spend their money on them.
I wouldn’t as that’s just asking to get screwed
From what I understand, they’re already getting paid pennies by youtube, which is why many of them constantly shill for patreon/nebula/curiositystream/whatever on top of sponsored content. So youtube is shit for the creators, shit for the consumers, and a net loss for google. It’s the same non-business model as food delivery apps: nobody profits, yet it still somehow keeps going because modern economics is make-believe.
When there is a viable alternative
There are alternatives for the people who make money off the YouTube.
The Youtubers who do get paid enough to make a living from YouTube also make production quality content and have great gear and staff. They might as well sell their production to any other streaming service.
Something like Veritasium might as well be on Netflix as YouTube. Mr.Beast would fit in on Mtv…
Those both require subscriptions for access though instead of offering an ad based tier so that already excludes a majority of viewers from being able to move over from yt and those producers are unlikely to abandon their current audiences for a possibly bigger audience under a different corporation. I think that’s going to be necessary for a majority of viewers and producers to switch to another A/V distribution platform. If Netflix or MTV had an ad-only based tier and released apps for phones, Roku, browser, etc and allowed producer uploads then I suspect they could take a big chunk of Google’s yt viewership and profits.
Is it a slow rollout or a experimental update thing? I don’t have it on mine.
Only in Germany in a test of a lower Premium plan so far.
Thanks for the info!
What’s the point of paying for YouTube Premium if you get ads anyway?
Executive bonuses, of course. Won’t you think of the poor millionaires?
/s
I guess YouTube music?
Other features I guess. Like the bullcrap “are you still watching” that pops up every three videos, music maybe. I’m thinking of some waiting room TV thing, but then again you don’t want ads in that usecase either.
I actualy almost don’t get any are you still watching on my pc since like summer 🤷
I get it on mobile. I think it does it with playlists. I launch some music for background noise and it stops after a while.
You get amazing features like: background play (which is more of an annoyance), remember where i left off (which doesnt work whatsoever, even 5 years after it was first released), download video’s to watch offline (you need to remember to download them first or hope that YouTube’s recommendation algoritm didnt pick videos you’ve already wachted) oh, and you can get a slightly higher bitrate for 1080p. So basically it loses all value.
And YouTube music which honestly seems to do the heavy lifting on the value equation.
Yea, but your “download” f**ing expires! So it’s useless when you go somewhere with no internet.
wait, what? does it download as some proprietary format and not a normal video file then?
yep.
I remember when background play was for everyone.
As if there weren’t other ways to download videos from YouTube…
I’d recommend downloading from sources that don’t compress a much/badly as YouTube does ;)
Hehehe what do you mean? I have no idea what you’re talking about. 👀
Me neither laughs nervously
So… Basically NewPipe but paid and with ads? Brb, going to setup a monthly 14€ donation to the NewPipe team.
Well, you get to pay for YouTube and see ads!
Ads inform you of products you might not otherwise know about! What a deal!
That’s be a great if it weren’t for the fact that like 95% of the ads I get shown aren’t remotely relevant.
It’s like gatcha games or diapers. At least the Lexus and Jaguar ads are flattering cuz they think I’m fancy even though I don’t make enough to ever afford one.
What if it was a diaper gatcha game?
Pretty sure that’s what diapers are
Dude - what!? Can I pay someone to show me these products I would have to pay for? Let’s be real, just watching what I want when I want just isn’t engaging enough for me.
The other replies are incorrect, the lower tier premium actually has no ads on most videos. When you subscribe, they explicitly let you know music videos will play ads, probably so this plan is not eating away profits of YouTube music.
Everyone knows you need to pay for YouTube Premium-Pro-Plus if you don’t want to see ads. Only 69.99 per
monthweek.Only 69.99 per
monthweek.Minute watched
Unrealistic
per minute watched
Per started minute
Counts as two minutes if you start a minute and end it in a few seconds and start another minute later
Yeah, anyone who didn’t see this coming hasn’t been paying attention.
paying attention.
They couldn’t afford to after paying for yootoob premium.
To be fair google could have one of those days since workplace accident boards but for bad youtube decisions.
I’d be surprised if it hit 3 digits.
Floating point digits, sure.
What the heck is this “Youtube Premium”?
All I ever know was uBlock Origin.
🏴☠️
It’s convenient timing that Google Chrome is removing support for ad blocking plugins like uBlock right as Premium sneaks ads back in… 🙄
The moment I get ads in my Youtube Premium, it’s done with Youtube Premium, and done with Youtube.
…or else it gets the hose again???
I don’t think I specifically posted about it on lemmy but yeah, I also concluded youtube would be going further ‘pay to win’ around this time 2 years ago.
Twitch will keep getting more and more monetized / ad heavy as well, until it just gets shutdown.
I’ll be amazed if it still exists by the end of 2026.
Premium+ coming in 2026 for truly ad-free experience. Premium++ coming in 2028 for truly truly ad-free experience. Premium+++ coming in 2030 for truly truly truly ad-free experience.
Ad revenue is like crack to corporations. I think Google needs an intervention.
Needs euthanization
I can’t wait until computers and compression algorithms advance to the point where YouTube competitors become commercially viable!
Just kidding, YT will probably just blackmail their content creators into only posting on their platform and nowhere else to maintain their monopoly.
can’t wait until computers and compression algorithms advance to the point where YouTube competitors become commercially viable
hell just going back to regular cable is now viable for me, I might see less ads!
#re-attachingTheCord
Premium# coming in 2032 for truly truly truly ad-free experience.
Premium#+ coming in 2034 for truly truly truly ad-free experience.
…I for see Premium Deluxe this coming 2028.