And always gonna be. Go cry about it some more
hissss it burns ussss
First couple of seasons were “ok”. But after the jump to the future the show became almost unwatchable.
Bad Trek is better than no Trek and the fact that this show spawned SNW gives it a pass in my book.
Just like Matrix 2 and 3 didn’t exist, Discovery does not exist either.
Just watched Section 31.
Guess AI crap gets to be canon now. Mercurial Scottish crazy Vulcan bots, too.
I don’t care about Canon. Every Trek has done silly things that are then included, or ignored, based on the next writers whims.
What did annoy me was that it became less and less fun to watch. Neither the scripts nor the sets and backgrounds felt like they where done by people who liked the general ideas and vibes of star trek. Or maybe they just didn’t share my idea for star trek.
Pretty much only sticked around because I liked Stamments, Culber, and Adira. For all it’s failings, I did feel they nailed representation.
Isn’t tos technically the only one not a spin off and therefore the only canon?
If I’ve never seen them, they don’t exist. Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks… none of it. I’m safe and pure.
At least give lower decks a try if you’ve seen the rest of trek, the references alone make it fun to watch. It’s AU it doesn’t taint the cannon but it’s still trek and a good time
Picard is elder abuse and I’m sticking to it.
My wife and I are watching Star Trek for the first time ever. We’re on the 4th season of The Next Generation. So I’m not “in the know”. Should we not watch discovery when we get to that point? What’s wrong with it?
I personally liked it a lot. I liked the fact that it broke from the style of the 90’s Trek series and did something fresh. But that is exactly what a lot of Trek fans hated.
I love Discovery. You should definitely give it a chance.
It’s not perfect, and some of the complaints in this thread are completely valid, but I attribute the ferocity of the hate it gets more to the fact that it brought Trek back as a series after a very long hiatus, and took some pretty big swings as a result.
I was around when DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise were the new shows that “just didn’t understand Star Trek,” so from my perspective it’s all very cyclical. Trek fans, as with most long-standing fandoms, don’t all handle change very gracefully.
Trek fans, as with most long-standing fandoms, don’t all handle change very gracefully.
Should be shouted at every comic-con by the Star Trek cast as a reminder.
Honestly, it’s just a different tone. That’s about it. You should definitely watch it and decide for yourself whether you enjoy it, don’t let other people online decide for you.
I will say that the first season is a little rough around the edges but all Star Trek shows are. It gets better as it goes on. Tone, acting, writing. It all takes a slight tonal shift in the second season. At least there’s only 13ish episodes as opposed to the 24 of older shows.
It’s not wrong per se, it’s just different. I don’t particularly like Discovery and Picard, but they’re ok. They don’t have the same monster of the week approach as the others, and a lot of the other stuff has already been discussed here; lack of development of the crew and their relationship, the main character is constantly on focus while everyone else in the bridge is in rear view, no breathing room for proper character development, the orcs/klingons, etc.
I would rather watch Lower Decks, Prodigy or even The Orville. They’re closer to what I like about Star Trek (though The Orville takes a bit to get there).
Pop culture is mythology. You decide what’s canon.
Aside: Y’all think the Egyptians ever had arguments over which version of Horus was canon?
Absolutely. In fact they definitely had wars about it.
Remember when TOS had magic wand worms?
Remember when Spock tried to kill Kirk because he was sexually frustrated?
Remember when the USS Enterprise got pregnant?
Remember when Trip Tucker got pregnant?
I would be good at this thread, but I think we’ve gone far enough.
Suffice to say, we haven’t even mentioned Voyager yet. Lol.
Macrovirus. Enough said.
You can keep the shrooms as long as I get to keep the Catians.
lol did you forget that you already posted this?
Honestly, yes. I have so much stuff that I post that sometimes I don’t update the tags properly and forget that I have already posted it. My mistake. That being said, was a while ago so meh.
And it seems to have generated quite a bit of discussion already anyway
Obviously didn’t get the reaction they were looking for.
OR.
Got exactly the reaction they were looking for and wanted more of it.
Alternatively, and accurately, I post constantly and have thousands of things to sort through and occasionally a double post happens.
Sure, that’s what you WANT us to believe. I’m not falling for the narrative given by BIG-Stamets. This was an inside job. Rocket votes don’t melt steel posts.
Why do people care about canon?
Because an expansive universe lore is enjoyable if it’s coherent and there are stakes at play. If you consider the official canon, voyager as a series is pretty much to throw away, because the Federation would already have the technology to bring them home centuries ago. And yes, many times the writers played around the concept in good ways to not make Discovery a ridicolously overpowered ship, but it still suffers from big “Superman is so strong he can destroy a plenet with his mind” energy.
Can you make the whole series good with deus ex machina superpowers? I guess. Was the writing good enough for it? Absolutely not.
Yes, I am aware of the baby lizards warp 10 episode of Voyager, that should also be thrown away from canon as it makes no sense, but at least it was a whacky episode among many (and the showrunners ackowledged it) not the premise of an entire seriea.
Because an expansive universe lore is enjoyable if it’s coherent and there are stakes at play. If you consider the official canon, voyager as a series is pretty much to throw away, because the Federation would already have the technology to bring them home centuries ago.
This sounds like a very good argument not to care about canon. You, who care about canon, are bothered that two shows made 20 years apart by different creative teams have a little friction with each other. I, who don’t stress about canon, am able to accept both shows’ premises on their own terms and enjoy them for what they are.
Headcannon all that matters
I haven’t yet seen the last season of Lower Decks, but apparently they make the claim that Discovery was set in an alternate universe.
https://cosmicbook.news/star-trek-discovery-erased-canon
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/star-trek-erased.htmlAgain, I can’t validate that, but have read those articles
I watched the episode. They didn’t erase it. They clearly weren’t paying attention.
The Klingons in our world evolved and look different from DSC onwards. The ones in the timeline they shifted to, do not. Simple as that. Made fairly clear with the other stuff about a Klingon sailing barge and what have you.
More whiny people just whining.
People do love to wine about Discovery, so that’s not surprising. Thanks for the clarification. I do need to get onto watching the last LD season.
People love to whine about anything new - and not just about Star Trek.
I honestly think that newer Star Trek properties have been better than newer Star Wars properties on average.
That just seems like an intentional misinterpretation from someone who wants Discovery to be as non-canon as possible.
That’s very possible
Who’s to say that episode wasn’t from a multi verse branch and isn’t canon itself? (It’s a stretch, and I haven’t seen the episode yet)
Honestly… you’re sort of right without knowing it. Wrong but right. It’s hard to explain. You’ll get it when you see it.
Without any more knowledge, but knowing lower decks, I understand completely.
IMO they did a fantastic job reconciling why there’s no mention of Discovery and it’s fancy spore drive in the canon timeline. Launching them to the far future was probably the best decision
Spore drive wouldn’t have been rediscovered by anyone anywhere by the time of TNG?
Spore drive wouldn’t have been rediscovered by anyone anywhere at the time of TNG?
Season 2 laid out explicitly that it is to be buried, forgotten and deleted. Demonstrated in the 3rd Season when even Starfleets own records show the Discovery as having been destroyed with no mention of the spore drive.
The Spore Drive was developed in secret by two men. One of whom died and the other was flung far into space. The only two ships with the drive were destroyed or lost. The only navigator lost and the tardigrades being unable to found as mentioned by Starfleet when specifically trying to find them. Then there was the existential threat of its existence with the Sphere Data. The ship, and the drive along with it, had to be deleted to make sure that the Discovery going into the future was protected from anyone finding out about that Sphere Data.
Literally no one was left in the development of the drive and the data on the drive was forgotten about, buried and forsaken to be spoke of by anyone by making it confidential at the highest levels. There was no way to rediscover the drive. You’d have to reinvent it and Starfleet only took a gamble on it in the first place because the Klingon war with Starfleet in its infancy made them absurdly desperate.
The Spore Drive was developed in secret by two men.
The idea of the lone inventor wasn’t even true a hundred years ago. When I took a history of technology class at University over 30 years ago, that fact was driven into us.
All discoveries are the result of researchers standing on the shoulders of giants. Destroying all Spore drive research is meaningless because there are hundreds of billions of people spread across thousands of planets. The Federation isn’t even the entire Alpha quadrant so there are hundreds of billions of other people with no restrictions. So someone else is going to almost immediately re discover spore drive because the technology and knowledge base for its discovery are built into society.
I see you decided to conveniently ignore literally everything else that I said. Including things that would actually help explain what you’re talking about.
I have no interest in engaging in this conversation with you if you’re going to act in bad faith. You have not changed.
