I’ve always hated how alcohol commercials play up like a cool beer is the best thing in the world, or a glass of whiskey is what will put hair on your chest. It’s a disgusting narrative that ruins people’s lives.
On social media, there’s a huge variety of it. People posting how they were sober on NYE. Folks sharing before/after as they’ve gone cold turkey. I see people share tips of what type of mocktails to get at bars, and alternatives to having a fun night over getting drunk.
I appreciate that.
And this is not bashing alcohol. Moderation in everything.
The anti-chiropractic echo chamber that is Lemmy left me in in pain for far too long. I’m certain they vary wildly in skill and quality, but after just two sessions, my 3 weeks of lower back pain are gone. Dude is a godsend.
Ex-wife was an RN and not prone to magical thinking. Chiropractor fixed her shit in 6 weeks, told her she was done, don’t come back. She was and she didn’t. It was honestly amazing.
So yeah, I won’t lump them all in with the modern alchemists, but OTOH, they should have been self-regulating if they wanted to be taken more seriously.
I just feel like… If you believe in science, and want to actually help people, you become a physiotherapist or an orthopedist or something. You know, real medicine.
Like, was there something that specific chiropractor did that they would not have been able to do if they had become a physiotherapist instead? I feel like there is a Venn diagram here, where the shit that chiropractors do that actually works is entirely overlapped with some other form of actual doctor.
There are plenty of people who swear by them. There are plenty who have been fucked up by them too.
I have a friend who went to one, was getting relief for his back pain, and then decided to adjust his neck. He immediately felt like he was electrocuted and almost threw up from dizziness. He is now 4 years deep into chronic, debilitating neck pain, that didn’t exist prior to the adjustment. He is having to be treated with pain injections just to function.
They did it to themselves with the voodoo bullshit trying to be pretend doctprs but it doesn’t mean their services are useless. Medical Community used their stupid PR to drive them from the discourse. Remember that doctors are not our friends, just another merchant that might do you right.
Many people are satisfied with their chiropractor services and that in of it self is value even if some quack thinks it’s placebo.
Doctors are not just merchants. I’ve had indifferent ones and ones that really gave a damn. Many of them go into the field and stick with it to help people. Many do not, but it’s not accurate to paint the bunch with one brush.
The chiropractic field drove themselves from the scientific discourse by refusing to participate in peer-reviewed double-blind studies. I’m very good friends with a chiropractor and know others through them. If I had a nickel for every “science can’t study what we do” I’d be a rich man. We just don’t talk about it because it’s not productive to friendship lol
That seems awfully self-selecting, doesn’t it? Someone that is dissatisfied is not likely to remain a customer
Why are you blaming this on actual medical practitioners immediately after saying “They did it to themselves with the voodoo bullshit trying to be pretend doctors”. Of course actual doctors aren’t interested in what people who are lying about being doctors have to say
The customer decides, not the quack;)
The customer decides what?
The placebo effect does exist, and I still remain skeptical of chiropractors, but I’m glad that you were able to get some relief.
Fact is, the objective scientific/medical understanding of the causes and treatment of lower back pain is pretty limited anyhow, so you might as well try whatever you can.
The ortho basically shrugged and told me to go to physical therapy. Physical therapy was nice but was very slow going and time consuming. Chiropractor brought immediate relief. Would I like them to have a deeper medical and scientific understanding of what they are doing? Of course. But I am not going to argue with results.
That’s the thing though, physiotherapy is proven to work, through decades of practice and research. We know how and why various exercises etc. have the effects they do based on what damage you’ve suffered.
Chiropracty was founded with the belief that misalignment of your vertebra is the sole cause of various illnesses and disease, ergo if you pop your spine correctly you’ll cure your cancer, or your asthma, or what have you. That’s obviously not true. There’s no real evidence that ciropractic manipulation actually fixes anything, but people do experience relief for a time. Then that passes and they need to return for follow up sessions.
There are also dangers involved with the practise, with people suffering serious injuries, and some even dying because of it.
I wouldn’t want someone without a proper education to mess around with my spine. It’s too important.
The placebo effect is pretty magical in itself. You’re convincing your body to heal itself and it does in a minority of people. I guess there really are wizards among us.
The placebo effect is less about healing yourself and more about altering your perception of your situation
Sure, but it has actual, measurable effects. You can cause your body to fix itself by tricking it into thinking you took a medicine to fix it. That’s insane.