Free speechers on .world can’t handle interacting with any dissenting opinions to the left of the Bush Administration.
Listen. Just fuckin listen to me. The moment I joined lemmy every enthusiast was singing praise to the fediverse and how it’s easy to maintain the freedom of speach and yada yada yada. What it turned out to be is just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that while lemmy still fucking struggles to even become a mere shadow of reddit. I fucking hate reddit, I think spez should be covered in fire ants, but by god, looking at how insufferable most vocal lemmy users are, I may get back to reddit, probably as many other lemmy users already did.
If it helps, most of this inter-instance drama comes from a surprisingly small group of people. I’ve blocked most of them (looks like I missed the OP here) and it’s much quieter now. Looking at my block list, they’re mostly from .world, but that could be due to the large population.
ml makes sense on the fediverse. That’s kind of the whole point. Same with Linux.
Im already blocked on many of their subs already. I don’t have a choice
I think you can block instances now.
https://sh.itjust.works/c/meanwhileongrad
Here is a nice community that keeps track of their bullshit
Lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/yepowertrippinbastards also keeps track of the bullshit the mods do.
Most of the posts there call out OPs for thier bullshit. It’s hilarious. There’s like one or two instances that actually have a mod do something bad.
We should leave the federated on most instances as a honeypot for them. This way they don’t join other instances.
It’s like when you give a kid a video game controller without batteries.
That would only work if we labelled them so that new users are aware.
It’s like handing your kid a chainsaw but forgetting to empty it of gasoline first.
I prefer the analogy of porn though: I am not advocating that it not exist, just that it be properly labelled so that it is fully consensual for someone to receive it - b/c otherwise their only alternative to avoid that (e.g. while at work) is to leave Lemmy altogether.
I like the idea of growing non-ml community, however, I wish larger instances do not block ML. Otherwise, they would just move to lemmy.ee or lemmy.one, just like how they moved from hexbear and grad to ml.
It is great tankies got their own place where they can be happy, and I really don’t want to interact with them. I am emotional about issues they engage in, and emotional me usually is not a nice person.
Social media is one of the few ways I can relax for couple hours per week outside of my job, and I really don’t want my social media experience to go full investigative journalism.
lemm.ee is estonian so i think they’d have a harder time there
They moved from hexbear? I thought .ml had got worse! I wish my instance would defederate from them, but it seemed so hard for them to do that from HB.
Tbf, many of the users already had accounts on both, but yeah since “no means yes” to them, when HB got defederated from they simply switched to whatever would allow them to continue their harassment campaigns. Lemmygrad.ml users say the same as well.
So if ML ever were to be defederated with, from let’s say LW (Lemmy.World), they would continue forward with LW accounts rather than take the strong “suggestion” that they not.
That’s why I prefer the approach that PieFed is testing out: not outright blocking it but placing an icon next to users that e.g. are brand-new accounts, or a different icon for those who have more downvotes than upvotes.
Hexbear mods tolerate (and sometimes encourage) the worst behaviors of their user base, which is why instances defederate from hexbear.
When those users join other instances one of two things happens:
- the mod team does their job, forcing those users to tone down their behavior or get banned.
- the instances goes to shit and other instances defederate from them.
As long as you stick to a decent instance it’s eventually a self correcting problem. You can also block instances yourself in your account settings on lemmy.
Yup. Fwiw, PieFed.social has actually defederated from hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml, so the approach I mentioned is more for overall instances like Lemmy.ml.
Although instance blocking does very little - only muting communities from that instance, but the users can still reply to you, generating notifications when they do, and they can vote and thereby influence the visibility of your content (especially impactful when it is first starting out in a larger community and even 1-2 downvotes can prevent it from being seen by many).
PieFed, along with the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect, and the Lemmy instances lemmy.cafe and Tesseract on dubvee.org allow for true blocking of all users from lemmy.ml (the latter two requiring admin support but they have chosen to defederate from all of the big 3, and they are the only instances to have done so, thus earned quite the distinction).
The irony of a community promoting socialism while also instabanning anyone for the slightest wiff of criticism is just chef’s kiss peak representation of why their system is doomed.
If you can’t withstand the slightest nudge of criticism how are you even going to attempt to provide a governance system based on any kind of economic directive? If Marx could see what you guys have become he’d personally wipe his ass with your lame ml instance
Seems like the ultimate nature of leftist ideology is that there are too many cooks in the kitchen, and everyone has a slightly differing philosophy that they refuse to budge on. So they fight eachother instead of the existential fascist threat.
Leftists infighting! That’s crazy!
It’s because socialism does not stand up to outside pressures. It always turns towards benevolent totalitarianism as a method of defending itself from bad actors.
“benevolent”
Well yeah, implementation may vary with dictators.
Can someone inform me about what’s wrong with lemmy.ml?
Their users often argue for authoritarian regimes and deny genocides.
Sure. They’re not far enough to the right for some of .world’s centrists, who are very upset that some people from .ml are outspoken opponents of genocide. And as such, they have for the third time designated an instance to be the “tankie instance” that they desperately want .world to defederate from. .world’s centrists will continue this until they have convinced the admins to defederate from .ml, at which point they will once again find a new instance to designate as “tankies” and start the pressure to remove it.
They consider .world’s neoliberalism to be the leftmost acceptable boundary of political thought, and will do anything to limit the discussion accordingly.
Nah im just not a big fan of anyone who simps for putin and the taliban, it’s really that simple. If they weren’t a bunch of tankie edgelords I’d honestly consider making a hex account, some communities there are neat but not worth having to see all that shit lol
Have you already decided what the next “tankie instance” is gonna be?
I hate liberals exactly as much as you do, if not more. That doesn’t mean I have to stand by people trying to justify homes and children being stolen from Ukraine, or how China actually isn’t doing any genocide, or how Taliban Good bc they fight ISIS and don’t like the US
I hate liberals exactly as much as you do, if not more.
Do they not support Netanyahu’s genocide stridently enough for your liking?
You’re living rent free in my head rn, it’s genuinely bewildering that you somehow think i support zionism or some shit. I didn’t get called a trump supporter by a bunch of l*bs just so other leftists can baselessly accuse me of supporting Israel. The fuck is your deal? You think someone can’t dislike both Israel AND Russia? Seriously please explain this, I’m at a loss for fucking words as to how hating a government that wants me dead means I support murdering children in Gaza, I’m kinda seething about it tbh
You’re living rent free in my head rn
Yes, I can tell because you’re so angry that you’re leaving multiple unhinged replies to single comments.
The fuck is your deal?
My deal is that I don’t think that the hatred for ml is rooted in anything having to do with Russia. I think it’s because centrists want anyone to their left (and only their left) to be silenced.
I have literally spent the last like 6 months getting banned from .world communities for disagreeing with liberals about the genocide in Gaza, if you missed all that that’s on you. Don’t assume I’m a libt4rd just bc I don’t jack off to a pinup Putin on my wall
Why the fuck are you assuming all this shit about me xD I hate Putin and I hate Biden, they both do a bunch of genocide, why do you assume I’m not 100% on your side? I very much am unless you think Putin is cool and based and doing good things in Ukraine
I haven’t seen any other instances where the majority of users simp for putin and the taliban, so nope :3
That’s what lemmy’s centrists said when the last two instances got defederated.
If the last two you’re referring to are grad and hex, good riddance :3 I’d rather not be seeing blatant Stalin or North Korea apologia in my communities
So what’s the next one? As long as world isn’t the leftmost instance, there will be a next one. Is it gonna be .ee? midwest.social?
The ml stands for Marxist-Leninist, and the admins are tankies
oh, please not this shit again
ever asked a lemmy.ml admin/mod whether they’re pro-Russian or not? You’ll notice you’ll never get them to answer, but they’ll get mad as fuck and start spewing all sorts of unrelated garbage, while refusing to answer a simple yes or no question.
The ridiculous thing is it would be so easy to lie about it, but Russians don’t even jokingly want to write that they’re not pro-Russian so as to not “accidentally fall out of a window”.
I feel u. Inter-instance wars are cringe asf🤦
Big agree, I really wish people from ml and hex would stop brigading communities they don’t like
Real shit how the fuck are people gonna claim hex is trans friendly after how they acted on 196@blahaj?
What happened with blahaj’s 196?
Because Hex says they’re the most trans-friendly because “don’t be transphobic” is in the rules so it must be true.
They are tankies
I am thinking about tanks, explain.
The iconic Tiananmen square “Tank man” photo, where one guy stands in front of a column of tanks on their way to slaughter pro-democracy protesters, briefly stopping them. Tankies are lunatics that wish for authoritarian communism and so unironically support the tanks running him over.
Lmao “running him over?” The video shows him walking away completely unscathed, after they let him into the tank to talk. The tanks were also leaving the square, not entering it. That’s also not where the term comes from.
Libs will do literally zero research about something they build their entire identity around
Where the fuck do you libs get your misinformation from?
That’s not where the term comes from.
Not the origin of the word.
This dates back to Hungarian revolution in 1956 and tanks being deployed by USSR.
It do be facts tho:-D
I’m confused. What are you saying? That word is thrown around against socialists. Tankies is often used to shut someone down and ignore what they’re saying no matter how correct it is, or how little it has to do with Marxism.
Socialism is not a problem.
Hell. Communism is not a problem.
Implementation of communism and the defense of their (supposed!) Implementors is the problem.
Tankies defend russia, a nazi state. While showing slurs at anyone in the western world. And calling them a nazi.
Tankies blindly salivate at what China is doing. Always explaining every horrific thing that had happened as a necessity. Then throwing slurs at anyone that disagrees. And banned when their logic is dismantled.
Tankies are defending NK. On lemmy disinfo nort korea normal people started on lemmy, precisely when they sent shells to russia.
Probably because Marxism is an inherently flawed political system, and every country that has ever attempted it has quickly become a hellhole.
Hello. Can I please make my internet experience both echoier and chamberier than it already is because it makes me sad when I encounter someone online who has different thoughts to me.
I too would prefer an Internet flooded with
different thoughtsbad faith trolls.i dont watch shows i know i wont like on netflix. guess im in a echo chamber there too.
Good point, that’s why they ban you on their instance when you write a counter argument.
That’s another reason of becoming independent.
Like .ml admins cracking down on people suggesting that Mao’s “Great Leap Forward” was catastrophe because it forced a political will ignorant of economic reality on a society violently robbed of the ability to resist, even terrorised into meeting their quotas at any cost? Or the fact that purging and suppressing all dissidents in the first place was cruel and authoritarian, a brutal abuse of power of the same kind as Stalin’s and (in this one aspect, at least) Hitler’s?
I’m a leftist to the bone, I recognise that a revolution without bloodshed wouldn’t have been possible at the time (and maybe never will be) and that a hard hand forcing fundamental changes to the political and educational system may well be required, but .ml has a well-known Tankie problem and they’re all too eager to follow in the steps of the boots they so love to lick.
Sure, just spend all your time on lemmy.ml and that’s exactly what you’ll get.
Every community is an echo chamber except for mine!
Have you actually been to lemmy.ml? They enforce vague rules to maintain their echo chamber
Notably, no comments have been removed from this thread for either supporting or decrying the CCP
Yeah do this,
So after we can finally talk about mods on LW, being pro Israel and moderating comments against IDF.Oh ? That will not happen ? 😱
I wish I could. But as a mod, it very much helps to leave all people and instances/communities unblocked.
My sympathies - I had to do that on Reddit and it was an enormous relief when I finally stepped down and was able to block a particularly onerous troll (who was mostly fairly helpful to the community itself, just singling me out as the only mod to receive his ire - I had offered to make him one but he turned it down). I hope you are able to preserve your sanity, b/c your mental health is important too, as well as all those that you protect from people’s toxicity (from whatever instance it may derive from). :-)
Yeah, It’s a mostly thankless “job” but it’s good to feel that I’m helping to build something. And at least so far- the trolls are mostly tolerable.
Thanks so much for the response and kind words.
Something about .ml and MLs in general is that they really just aren’t that large a group. If we want larger communities, Reddit is still much bigger than Lemmy. If we want a flawed ally in politics, progressive liberals outnumber Leninists and are far less likely to deliberately betray us. (That’s why MLs always equate Liberalism with fascism; if people can ally with Liberals MLs have basically nothing they can bring to a coalition, and so they can’t seize power.)
Famously loyal and trustworthy liberals will never deliberately betray you lmao. Just hope they never find out if you have to break a law the fascists draw up to protect yourself or others 🚔🚔🚔
And hope that you’re not part of whichever group they’re throwing under the bus to appease the fascists either.
If we want a flawed ally in politics, progressive liberals outnumber Leninists and are far less likely to deliberately betray us.
Who are ‘you’ in this equation? A boat dealership owner?
Pretty much anyone on the left.
Note: Tankies aren’t leftists.
Note 2: MLs are tankies.
Never leave your mind palace. You’re the smartest person alive. You can write political theory completely on your own without ever looking out at the outside world just in your own head. It’s always perfect. You never have to define terms. You never have to explain mechanisms. And don’t you dare ever expose it to danger. Stay pithy my friend.
You folks are blowing this way out of proportion.
Are we? Check the mod log
I boycotted them months back. I came to lemmy to get away from reddit mods.
Yes, Lemmy was famously founded to get away from moderation.
😂
This comment would get you banned in some places
