Why do all my homies use Linux Mint while I use Ubuntu?
They might simply like Mint’s Cinnamon over Ubuntu’s GNOME. That’s a valid choice.
Cinnamon with Wayland is still in testing. X11/X.Org is unmaintained software and is less secure than Wayland. GNOME is the only desktop at the moment that actually protects the screen from arbitrary recording by applications. Just food for thought.
Plasma supports wayland as well. On distros where it doesn’t ship by default all you have to do is install a package.
Because you’re wrong?
Personally I don’t like snaps, is the main thing.
I don’t like Snaps either, but it isn’t a that big of a deal. Ubuntu is still vastly more private than Windows. I do prefer Fedora much more because it actually sandboxes system services with SELinux polices. Snap creates a better sandbox for applications than Flatpak, but it is slower to launch applications, depends on AppArmor (which is less secure than SELinux), and uses hard coded package repo (centralized design).
The comment I replied to wasn’t comparing Ubuntu vs. Windows though, it was Ubuntu vs. Mint.
If my options were Ubuntu, Windows, and Mac, I’d go with Ubuntu, no question. But the nice thing about Linux is that there are a billion options, I can use what I like, other people can use what they like, and we can all play nice together and even contribute to the same codebase half the time.
I’ve tried Fedora-- every time I install a new machine, I end up trying several distros before inevitably landing on something with
apt. I started on Ubuntu 15ish years ago, and run Debian on anything headless, I just can’t get used to other package managers
What are snaps?
A container format for programs, similar to Flatpak and Appimage. Snaps were developed by Canonical, and while they’re technically an open standard, the only place to get them is from Canonical themselves, so it’s sort of a walled-garden thing like phone app stores. Snaps tend to be slower than native packages, and Ubuntu installs the snap version of things by default.
Mint is extremely similar to (and based on) Ubuntu, but with snaps gutted out. There are other differences, but that’s the biggest one
Thanks. I will google container format.
That Google search will likely get you results related to multimedia formats, like ogg, webm, and matroska.
The more useful query would be ‘containerized software packaging’. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(software) is the link for snaps though, and it should be easy to find other containerized formats from there, Flatpak is probably in the ‘see also’ section
Snap is hot garbage, and Mint is Ubuntu without Snap, so much better.
I’m going to switch to Mint from Ubuntu because I don’t trust Canonical, I would rather have the community controlling the distribution.
Interesting. I will Google “what is canonical”
Canonical is the manufacturer of Ubuntu.
Ahh interesting. Does someone else manufacture mint?
Mint is fully community-owned which is why I’m interested in it, I don’t want companies dictating and controlling how the OS should work.
Cinnamon is nice. But then I meet KDE…
Honestly, if you’re happy with Ubuntu, don’t worry about what other people think. A lot of the (valid) complains of Ubuntu require research to understand why to be outraged.
I personally only use immutable now (bazite, aurora and steam OS) and I wouldn’t have it any other way now.
Installing debloated windows is not difficult at all.
And how difficult is it to keep it debloated? MS seems to be hellbent on pushing their crap into everyone’s face.
Every Windows apologist: “I will keep current on the hacks to fix it forever, easy.”
I’m glad I invested the time learning Linux before I had kids and now have no time for anything.
I hope you don’t think I’m being a Windows apologist. I’m not defending Windows itself, I’m just saying that it isn’t that hard to debloat it.
Understood, sorry to imply that you were.
I would say it is, it’s extra installation steps. Fedora I just click a handful of buttons and the OS is installed with no Spyware
Its called Installing linux.
Installing windows takes stupidly long. You have to click through 60 pages and click “No, i don’t want to share my data” just for them to collect it anyway
Who installs an unmodified installer package? That’s just silly. Setup your installer using Rufus or something similar and this is not an issue.
I’m pretty sure it’s less than 10, and I just recently set up a Windows machine.
Installing a debloated Windows takes 15 minutes if you know what you are doing.
The only thing you need to wait on is installing updates.
Install windows, run debloat powershell script. Done.
Microsoft give no shortage of things to complain about with needing to exaggerate.
What does debloating entail exactly?
Disabling unnecessary background services, disabling telemetry, removing preinstalled adware. Easy to do with WinUtil by Chris Titus Tech.
That’s literally only the first step of the debloating rabbit hole.
Windows is a pain in the ass to set up
- the guy with a tiling window manager
you guys have to read the instructions for Arch?
I mean I touch on them sometimes to see what has been replaced or changed because linux moves pretty fast but the steps are not complicated or hard to remember.
The windows one seems exaggerated until you try to set it up with a regular local account.
Setting up a scratch install VM is such a pain.
Yeah, setup win 10 install on qemu may need to jump some hoop, especually when you want to enable features like gpu pass through.
Although qemu may not be as easy as virtualbox/vmware, the performance is worth it.
Setting up a local user account only is easy. Shift+f10 to open command prompt and then run OOBE\BYPASSNRO and then you can run the setup with zero network requirements and zero account requirements.
That no longer works.
Tried it on my girlfriend’s new gaming laptop about 4 months ago and it did nothing, so just went back to using my custom Rufus install.
I do it every day for work. You must be doing something wrong.
With Rufus it doesn’t even ask for a MS account, indeed.
As much as I wish this were true, this is in a bubble where Windows isn’t already preinstalled on everything.
It said “(Debloated)” you still have to debloat it even if it’s already installed and has enough storage for your liking.
If you actually read the whole graph, you’ll see windows has 2 entries.
Unfortunatly, that’s the reality of how computers are sold. If customers could try out both windows and Ubuntu at the store before buying and then got the variant with that OS preinstalled, I bet more people might use Linux, especially if they saved money by not paying for a windows license.
There is no way Gentoo is that low.
i seriously do not understand what’s up with some of you, why do you spell stuff like in “m$”. The extra work to type it like this doesn’t matter at all. It makes no difference, Microsoft will not shut down because you spelled their name as “micro$oft” on your lemmy post or something like that. why do you keep doing this, i don’t understand.
If I were to take a guess, it’s probably just a censorship joke. Censoring the word implies that it is inappropriate to say. Like when people say Fr*ench".
Nah, nothing to do with censorship.
More in the line of “Microsoft is a capitalist POS that only cares about money and doesn’t cater to my niche specific needs.” And they want to remind everyone every time they talk about Microsoft.
It’s literally one more keystrokes, and people who do it often in a phone probably have it autocomplete. This message took much longer to write than probably every single time the OP has written MS as M$.
Hobbyist here, in my opinion reading the manual or the wiki is easy, understanding it quickly is not. You can obvioulsy follow the instructions blindly and still succeed.
For the most part is very comprehensive but sometimes you are left alone to connect the dots which is very daunting when instructions get technical and you do not understand them.
In the end it felt like one of those half semester courses Universities try to cram in.
Stupid list leaves off the most popular linux install and puts that fringe one in.
With archinstall script you can install Arch in less than 1 minutes (not counting copying system files)
I installed it following a guide where it had me doing my own partitions and encryption using LUKS in around 30 minutes.
I love Debian, but it’s installer is shit.
It really is, I can use it, but it’s clunky compared to even Arch’s TUI. Gentoo is harder, but Gentoo isn’t trying to do what Debian is.
Another bad one is Fedora’s. I’m used to it, of course, but the placement of the buttons to exit screens is all over the fuck, and you better know what you’re doing in order to even set the hostname and make a user during install.
It’s one of the only installers that seems to take the longest compatatively and (afaik) doesn’t really let you leave it unaftended. Most other distros let you just set everything first then go, but Debian does that and then asks you what DE and other questions mid install…
Isn’t debloated windows just a regular windows install after running https://github.com/Sycnex/Windows10Debloater ? Is there more to it?
