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    9 days ago

    As an IT guy i think I may have a theory.

    I would consider technology to be inheirantly fascist, everything is utilitarian, superflous data is bloat.

    You have an admin class that set the rules for the programs to enforce for the user.

    In a well organized system, everything is very neat and tidy, names/types that don’t fit are quickly and easily corrected.

    This is why tech-bros go fascist, they are replicating the idea of computer order onto hummans, where is absolutely idiotc

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      9 days ago

      set the rules for the programs to enforce for the user.

      Stallman was uhhh, correct, or something.

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      9 days ago

      You may be on to something an it kills me these asshats made all their money by taking from Government funded programs like Basic and from community free and open source projects.

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      9 days ago

      I think you’re overlooking all of the free and open source software and people like me who work in the industry and are radical leftists.

      The more likely connection here is that these are all rich CEOs…

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          8 days ago

          Fair take, and applies in every industry. Basically what I’m trying to say is it’s all about capitalism baby. The shit floats

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        Yep, this. Thanks for saying it!

        Some of us want to use technology to do all those nice lofty things like send cat memes and connect with our friends with only as much “administration” is necessary to protect it.

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        Ok, that is a good point, I can absolutely see that I may be wrong to call is fascist, but it is definitely authoritarian, where the coders decide the rules and the program enforces them, I can see that applying a left/right political bias can be wrong.

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          8 days ago

          Code is a language that can describe all sorts of systems, some of those systems have rigid hierarchies and some of those systems are distributed.

          Software development teams also tend to work in collaborative ways, as much as Agile and Scrum development practices are bastardized in many large companies the core philosophies are very worker-empowering.

          In the cases where companies use “waterfall” or misuse Agile the culprit seems to be managerial interference or very rigid and important requirements (e.g. a plane software system that must not fail)

          I see your point, but per the above I would say it’s not universal and I would also counter that software architects have very open-ended solutions to choose from and are used to thinking about a system as a whole, which in my case at least leads me to questioning how our political and social systems can change for the better.

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              6 days ago

              Not like minded… I’m not opposed to the principles you lay out in your abstract but the monarchy power structure isn’t what I’m interested in.

              Socialism, communism, and ultimately anarchism are the way forward in my opinion.

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      Also many techbros think they are incredibly intelligent and good at all the smart things when many are like the surgeon who is good at their specialty but are fucking morons in all other regards.

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        You want to know what makes Elon so great? He can buy things.

        He bought Tesla, he didn’t invent electric cars.

        You and me can buy stock in companies like Tesla too. But we can’t buy a 50% stake.

        He is also willing to take risks. But it is so much easier to take a 1 million dollar risk on a few start ups if you have 250 million.

        These techbros may very well be competent at some things but their number one qualification is their immense wealth.

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        Honestly, even that is being too generous.

        Programming has this crazy mystique of being something that only “smart” people do, but it’s not. Software development is much, much more like a more conventional ‘trades’ job. I’ve been writing software for 15 years, and I feel like I have more in common with plumbers and electricians than I do with doctors or engineers.

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      This can be - and has been - generalized to all industrualization.

      Tolkien wrote Isengard the way he did for a reason.

      The history of Brutalist architecture is closely associated with fascism as it promotes societal ideals of a neatly segmented and ordered life.

      Henry Ford. Just, Henry Ford.

      Elon’s technocratic nazi grandfather.


      I would also like to remind everyone that fascism is simultaneously extremely dangerous but doomed to fail. That obsession for finding rigid rules where there aren’t any, of constraining the real world to simplified models, makes fascists eventually lose touch with reality because they can’t account for the messiness and human factor. At first they destroy everything they touch, kill anyone that doesn’t fit the model. They then make fatal, obviously irrational mistakes like opening an Eastern front in Europe before tidying up the Western one because the Ideology says Bolsheviks are weak. Attacking the US in Hawaii. Not installing Lidar in supposedly self-driving cars. Invading Ukraine with an incompetent army and cardboard supplies against a dug-in western-supplied army.

      It’s not particularly helpful to the tens of millions killed by fascism yet, but at least we can rest assured that the fascist technosolutionists will lose and that plants will grow out of their corpse.