My go to back in The Day was just Ubuntu because I was lazy. We’re talking the 14.04/16.04 days. Ubuntu was simple and mostly just worked. I now find myself needing to de-spywareify as the coming administration is likely to force Microsoft into tracking “dissidents” so need to get back into weaning myself off the Windows teat.
I recently dualbooted my main desktop with Ubuntu 24.04 and have been… entirely underwhelmed. The whole separation between APT and snap packages doesn’t work well together and is really the big problem I have, as a lot of standard deb packages just refuse to install properly now. the UI is hard to use and doesn’t make me happy, and it’s not been playing nice with my Zen 4 desktop when it comes to ACPI power states (no sleep, doesn’t reliably turn the power off when i ask it to turn off, etc). So overall, I am just not terribly interested in using Ubuntu anymore.
What I primarily want is the sort of “mostly just works” like old 16.04 but still gave you the full ability to monkey under the hood- and is also something based on a normal distro that most people write guides for because I am a smoothbrain. Should I just head to using basic plain jane Debian or something?
I use EndeavourOS and really enjoy it. It’s effectively Arch but without the fuss. You get a GUI with just a few steps to set it up and you’re good to go. I tend to upgrade once a week, while checking the forums to see nothing too bad broke. That’s basically the maintenance I have.
When I do a new install on a new device, I just clone a repo I keep with the most important config files. Then I copy them to where they belong. There’s really not much more to it.
I may sound like an asshole, but before Linux Mint, I would seriously think to go with Debian with KDE. I don’t see any downsides, and there are many upsides.
downside that made me move from debian:
dist upgrades broke all the time, because I had software installed from PPAs.
Use Flatpak instead of PPAs if you can. That way they won’t cause problems.
There were no flatpaks a decade ago.
Oh, if you were talking about back then, then you’re right. At that point, compiling them yourself would’ve been a better choice, but with lower powered CPUs that was another downside. I never stood Gentoo because compiling times were way too long for me, even though I like Gentoo.
You broke the rule of Debian
Don’t use third party repos
well shoo, guess I just don’t do my task at work then since the software I need only exists in a 3rd party repo jeee what a great OS
You install either a flatpak or run it inside a container
That’s on you 😅
I’ve been using Fedora Core since 2004 and it seems like it’s mostly worry free for me, but then again I remember the olden days when I needed to spend significantly more time on getting stuff to work. I think it helps to use mainstream hardware as well. I’ve been running thinkpads for years now and I think that probably helps with compatibility. I also tend to run refurbished older hardware because it’s cheaper and I don’t need bleeding edge performance.
I’ve never really used Linux as a daily driver. Back in the same Ubuntu period as you, intrialled it but got sick of software compatibility problems. So much is cloud web based these days, that it’s less of an issue.
What surprised me as a distro hopped looking for my home laptop flavourz was how different it was to install different software, such as docker. Some distros it was a hassle to run well. Some it needed workarounds, whichh surprised me.
So, I’d look at what you plan to run, then decide between opensuse, pop, mint or fedora and how easy they support what you want to do. I dipped back into Ubuntu but they have started to make some m$ style choices where you have to take back control as they try to make your PC act like they want not how you want.
All can be made to support whatever you want but not all do our of the box.
Fedora, Mint, or Pop. Hell, give BSD a try!
I run PopOS on two notebooks (thinkpad, MacBook air) for about a year now and so far everything worked. Printer needed some fiddeling
Should I just head to using basic plain jane Debian or something?
Every time I try a new distro I end up back on Debian. It just works.
Same. I can barely even tell what “good” Ubuntu brings to the table other than the task bar icons, which I just add in with am extension.
Which distros aren’t set and forget?
I use Arch btw
I’ve been using ParrotOS as a daily driver and it’s been good to me. I don’t need much though. Based on privacy and security and for that field of work. They have a pen test version and a home DD version.
Should I just head to using basic plain jane Debian or something?
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Set and forget: Arch Linux. There might be much setting involved, but you can forget later.
Don’t even set and you can forget: Linux Mint.
I think OP wants something that also minimizes the "set“ part. Arch is for enthusiasts who like to put a lot of effort into creating their own perfect Linux system. I’ve tried it once and to be perfectly honest I don‘t want to fiddle around with basic settings if there is no need to. I’m pretty busy with other things in my life and want stuff to work out of the box with sane defaults if possible. It’s essential that stuff can easily be customized afterwards though.
Arch is very good for people who want to invest time into learning what goes on under the hood. Perfectly valid use case, but probably not for OP.
For this purpose Mint is great. Comes pretty much preset to use and requires almost no maintenance for normal use. It’s like Windows used to be in the past.
I recommend Arch and KDE. The community to docs are really good. It’s a rolling release distro, so always up to date.
I hate being the, “I use Arch” guy, but it’s really been a great experience for me with KDE. Minimal issues after a complicated first time setup, but it’s absolutely been worth it. For anyone that’s pretty decent with computers already, and can understand the documentation, I would recommend trying it out. I just converted a laptop the other day to Arch and used archinstall for the first time. It did pretty well other than a couple of small tweaks that most users would never know about in fstab relating to SSDs and LUKS encryption.
There’s a steep learning curve, but it’s made me learn a lot about the Linux operating system and a lot about computers in general.
Pretty much the same experience with me. Also, once I heard that The Streamdeck uses Arch and KDE, I was willing to give it a try. Flatpaks are pretty nice too.
I’m really excited about the budding relationship between Steam and Arch. The Steamdeck has already been invaluable in adoption and progression, and now their serious. The future appears bright here.
Linux Mint and PopOS are usually listed as friendly distros and are derivatives of Ubuntu without Ubuntu controversies like Snap. Mint even has an alternative direct Debian base skipping some Ubuntu packages, so might be ironically closer to old Ubuntu in that flavor.
If you’re open to going non-debian, Manjaro is often sold as the more user friendly Arch.
Debian or Arch aren’t bad to use directly either and are far more newbie friendly than they were a decade ago even if not as out of the box opinionated as their derivatives.
At this point, I am an LMDE shill because it works so well for my non-tech wife. She has only had to use the terminal 3 times since I installed it for her in the summer and most of what she needs for day-to-day desktop computing came pre-installed.
It “just works,” even for multi-monitor setups, which I thought it would have trouble with.
Considering your previous experience with Ubuntu, I would recommend Debian. Just make sure to get the right ISO for what you want.
Since you’re complaining about Ubuntu not working with ACPI power states, my next recommendation would be Endeavour to be more up to date and get fixes and stuff sooner. It’s pre-configured Arch.
