Well, actually with 150$ you could buy a used business SFF/tiny PC with an 8th/9th gen i5 CPU and I don’t think that it will consume that much more than a rpi.
At peak the sff PCs are going to be at least triple the ~30W of the pi 5.
Edit: You’ll get way more out of the sff though, which is what I was saying. Tiny/mini/micro is my entire self hosted environment (as well as lab and work setup for the most part).
At peak the sff PCs are going to be at least triple the ~30W of the pi 5.
Are you sure? I think that for the same tasks, the i5 (at least 9th gen) is more power efficient than the rpi 5.
I was a pi guy, I had them all over the places, but like you, I’m now using SFF/tiny used PCs (when I don’t need GPIO).
At least as far as my setup, yeah. Ive got 5th-10th gens, under high loads I’ll see a spike to 80+ watts, the highest is 170W but those have nvidia quadros in them.
Edit: For gpio now I’ll just use an esp32 or something instead.
My only pi usage these days is work stuff, and orangepi is supported there. In terms of arm, also Jetson, but that’s kind of outside the discussion here.
oh man, I tried an orangepi and I cannot express how sketchy that thing was, top to bottom. It had a lot of power but that is the one good side it had (it was a lot more expensive than a rpi too). That shitty flashing utility alone make it worth picking something different.
I had so much trouble trying different OSes on it. I think actually none of them felt stable and I tried like 5 (multiple versions of each) I think.
I really gave the orange pi the ol’ college try. Now that I think about it, there was a single OS that sorta worked well on it. But unfortunately it was a weird fork of ubuntu supported by a single dude and I didn’t want the future of my device by on one guy’s shoulders.
Hired a cop who used pi’s for surveillance tech, when people mentioned being uncomfortable, they were flippant, blocked people, etc. Gross behavior IMO.
Pricing has made a complete shift from consumer friendly cheap boards over to pricing that can be beat by x86 hardware (even full blown cheap laptops).
The foundation has changed, and I just dont support it. You can make your own call of course, this is just my decision.
Edit: I should note, I hold grudges. For a loooooong time. I still dont forgive Apple for lying about a battery issue in an iPod mini being a board issue, just to give you an idea for how long I can be an asshole about things I don’t like.
Pi 5 desktop kit is like $150 isn’t it?
Yeah you can beat that performance and price with some used hardware. Will cost more in power though.
Well, actually with 150$ you could buy a used business SFF/tiny PC with an 8th/9th gen i5 CPU and I don’t think that it will consume that much more than a rpi.
Only at idle.
At peak the sff PCs are going to be at least triple the ~30W of the pi 5.
Edit: You’ll get way more out of the sff though, which is what I was saying. Tiny/mini/micro is my entire self hosted environment (as well as lab and work setup for the most part).
Are you sure? I think that for the same tasks, the i5 (at least 9th gen) is more power efficient than the rpi 5. I was a pi guy, I had them all over the places, but like you, I’m now using SFF/tiny used PCs (when I don’t need GPIO).
At least as far as my setup, yeah. Ive got 5th-10th gens, under high loads I’ll see a spike to 80+ watts, the highest is 170W but those have nvidia quadros in them.
Edit: For gpio now I’ll just use an esp32 or something instead.
My only pi usage these days is work stuff, and orangepi is supported there. In terms of arm, also Jetson, but that’s kind of outside the discussion here.
Ok, but is that “high load” something that the rpi 5 is capable of handling? I don’t think so.
I’d even say equivalent load - but again, I dont support the foundation, wouldn’t buy a 5 in the first place.
I’d still say you’re better off with a t/m/m even with a few watts of savings.
You could get away with nothing but the Pi, depending on what you’ve got lying around.
Sure, depends on needs of course. Just saying I can see how someone could arrive at a better price point than a pi with more performance.
Just not more per watt (except in more burst demanding scenarios).
The pi foundation lost a lot of goodwill with me though, so I stick to the alternatives (orangepi for example) if I need one.
Edit: I a whole word.
oh man, I tried an orangepi and I cannot express how sketchy that thing was, top to bottom. It had a lot of power but that is the one good side it had (it was a lot more expensive than a rpi too). That shitty flashing utility alone make it worth picking something different.
I had so much trouble trying different OSes on it. I think actually none of them felt stable and I tried like 5 (multiple versions of each) I think.
Ive got very specific needs when it comes to pi-alikes, so I can only speak to how ive used it.
I still won’t support the pi foundation though.
Can I ask why? (/gen)
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/15641213
I really gave the orange pi the ol’ college try. Now that I think about it, there was a single OS that sorta worked well on it. But unfortunately it was a weird fork of ubuntu supported by a single dude and I didn’t want the future of my device by on one guy’s shoulders.
What wrong did the pi foundation do again?
Hired a cop who used pi’s for surveillance tech, when people mentioned being uncomfortable, they were flippant, blocked people, etc. Gross behavior IMO.
Pricing has made a complete shift from consumer friendly cheap boards over to pricing that can be beat by x86 hardware (even full blown cheap laptops).
The foundation has changed, and I just dont support it. You can make your own call of course, this is just my decision.
Edit: I should note, I hold grudges. For a loooooong time. I still dont forgive Apple for lying about a battery issue in an iPod mini being a board issue, just to give you an idea for how long I can be an asshole about things I don’t like.
Ah yep, found an article about it, it’s indeed disappointing behaviour on their part.