This is not my personal opinion, I know Gen Z men who voted for Harris. But the voter demographics really speak for themselves, and maybe now people will look at the radicalization of young men as a serious (but solvable) issue.

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    Issues affecting young women:

    1. Rapes aren’t prosecuted
    2. Government forced births
    3. Bleeding out in a parking lot
    4. Widespread misogyny

    Issues affecting young men:

    1. Girls won’t put out
    2. There aren’t enough pickup trucks
    3. Joe Rogan is being victimized by jews
    4. Germ theory and masks or something

    How exactly can a political party address what is for men essentially a collection of toxic culture issues?

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        It’s not so much a crucifix but a lowercase letter T for his low-testosterone he’s so obsessed with

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      I think many men, whether they realize it or not, feel specifically persecuted by trans rights. They might say that allowing trans women in women’s sports is cheating and that it would allow the trans women to be successful in the sport over less merit than they as cis males would have to. The deconstruction of the gender/sex binary also threatens cis males’ historic position as self-assigned protectors, leaders, and winners of the “weaker sex”. There is also the phobia among men of discovering that the woman whom they want to romance is trans, which really comes down to masculine fragility and conformity that leads to homophobia (in the sense of XY + XY, not gender) and transphobia. As a cis male, these men need to get over themselves.

      Many men also believe that gun control is a threat to them. They need these guns in case a fascist power ever seizes the government and they need to fight back, so they are actively voting for the fascist powers to seize the government so that they can keep their guns.

      There are also men who hold prejudice against any religion except Christianity so leftwing inclusivity efforts and anti-prejudice efforts come across as welcoming these perceived threats. These men aren’t simply just the redneck Bible thumpers or even devout or practicing Christians, but they just see the most common belief system around them as the default.

      It’s not that these issues are a threat to men, but that they perceive them as threats.

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        Its disingenuous to the actual issues facing young men, but right on point for how people seem to see mens issues. It is in fact a perfect example of why men might just feel put upon by the left.

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          Nowhere in this thread has anyone discussed issues that exclusively affect men. There are very few such issues and all of them are trivial.

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      How exactly can a political party address what is for men essentially a collection of toxic culture issues?

      I don’t necessarily know, and neither does the Democratic party, which is at least part of the reason why Trump just got reelected.

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      Talk about diving people, what a prime example. What would you say if I name fashion as one of the primary female problems? Or having good pictures on Instagram?

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      Issues affecting young men:

      1. Rape reports are ignored and not taken seriously
      2. Not trained in the tools to deal with mental health and emotions
      3. High expectation to make money but low job prospects
      4. Jerks trivializing the fact that men have real concerns because OtHeRs HaVe It WoRsE.

      It should be empathy for all. Asshat.

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        Your list is the issues that men are actually facing, but what OP posted is what the clout chasing “alpha influencers” tout as “men’s actual problems”.

        For everyone’s sake, we need to start reclaiming men’s spaces from these Andrew Taint-wannabe’s, and towards people like you. They don’t care about anything but their bank accounts.

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          Influencers are the tail that thinks they’re wagging the dog. When they aren’t shilling garbage products and cryptoscams they’re spending all their time trying to find the next trend to chase. Besides the shilling, at their worst they’re merely a sounding board for ideas and issues that are already out there (and have been for a long time).

          The biggest mistake the Democrat campaign made was to ignore the plight of working class, non-college educated people. To a group that’s been reeling from inflation and the major setback of COVID lockdowns, the Democrats promised more of the same. That’s not good enough! What good is student loan forgiveness to people who never went to college?

          That’s been the problem for the Democrats for decades now. A party that used to call labour unions its base now focuses pretty much exclusively on college-educated middle class and up.

          I just had a look at the exit polls. Of the people who said the economy was the most important use, 79% voted for Trump. Of those who think the US’s economy is doing not so good/poor (67% of voters), 69% voted for Trump.

          I know lots of people here will sneer at that and Trump seems pretty unlikely to right the ship but he actually promised change whereas the Democrats did not. Promising to keep things the same when 2/3 of voters believe the economy is poor is not going to get the job done.

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            Yeah, and people seem to forget a key question these days: “what middle class?”

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      Imagine if you reversed the roles there and said something like issues facing women: handbag not sparkly enough or some shit

      There are real issues for both men and women. The fact people think otherwise is part is the root of the problem

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        But I would be lying.

        Look, name an issue that exclusively affects men, and I’ll amend my list. So far, no one has come up with anything.

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          Mental health issues being ignored by their peers and society as a whole is a pretty big one

          You could claim women have mental health problems too and they do but they have spaces to talk about that

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            So your claim is that “mental health issues” are an exclusively male problem? Because again, the problems I listed for women affect them exclusively.

            So do you see what the problem is here?

            EDIT: people that downvote this benign comment are proving me right. Braindead.

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              You ignored part of my message, I said the problem was that men’s mental health problems are largely ignored, not that women don’t have mental health problems

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                So to be clear, one of the main issues that men in this country face that women do not face is that “their mental health issues are ignored”?

                Who is “ignoring” these mental health issues? There’s no systematic lack of access that needs to be legislated, correct? I had absolutely zero problem getting therapy as a man. It’s a toxic masculinity thing of men themselves being unwilling to see a therapist. Correct?

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          “Rapes aren’t prosecuted” doesn’t exclusively effect women by any means. Also, men can get pregnant. Trans men are men.

          I understand the point you’re making and I generally agree, but to suggest there are not issues that affect young men much more than young women that seriously need fixing is silly.

          The insane drug war affects men far, far more than women.

          And you’ll also notice that, aside from Breyonna Taylor who cops didn’t even know was there, virtually every major case involving police extrajudicial murder was of a black man.

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            “The drug war” is not a male-exclusive problem. That would be like saying that because men are responsible for perpetrating 99% of violent crime, violence is an exclusively male problem. Notice I didn’t say that.

            Also, are you sure you want me to add “trans male pregnancy” to the list of male problems? Are you quite sure this is something your fellow men feel strongly about? Don’t be dishonest, please.

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              Tell me you didn’t even look at the image without telling me you didn’t look at the image.

              And you also don’t seem to think men can be raped since you think it’s only rapes of women that don’t get prosecuted.

              Also, are you sure you want me to add “trans male pregnancy” to the list of male problems?

              I was pointing out the flaw in you claiming these were only problems that involve women. That is only true for most of them if you do not think trans men are men. Are trans men actually men?

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                I looked at your image. Let’s say the drug war affects men more than women by imprisoning them. I’ll give you that one. Unfortunately, most men don’t care about this issue. In fact they would probably approve.

                Here’s a related one: prison rape. It’s a serious problem that affects more men than women. Unfortunately, men don’t care about this issue either. If we talked about it we’d lose the election even worse.

                Another male exclusive problem: online radicalization… the infamous alt-right pipeline. This odious trend has reduced male college attendance and made my fellow American men even stupider than they otherwise would be.

                Another exclusively male problem: dating culture disparity. Men are expected to pay for dates despite nearly equivalent earning potential.

                Why didn’t you mention any of that? Instead you’re focused on the one in a million women who are now trans men who are giving birth (???)

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                  Why didn’t you mention any of that?

                  Because men in prison, in numbers exponentially more than women, is a much bigger problem. One that you don’t seem to care about.

                  Also, you still haven’t told me if trans men are men, so I guess you don’t think they are. Especially when you said “women who are now trans men” as if they weren’t always men.

                  So this is some weird TERF crap. I’m not interested in that sort of bigotry.

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                    Women who are now trans men weren’t always trans men, were they? Maybe they thought of themselves as women for a long time before changing their mind.

                    What a bizarre argument to have in a thread showcasing your lack of understanding for the kind of things men actually care about and politics in general.