This is not my personal opinion, I know Gen Z men who voted for Harris. But the voter demographics really speak for themselves, and maybe now people will look at the radicalization of young men as a serious (but solvable) issue.
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There is no war but class war.
The only thing you can be absolutely sure of as a liberal white male is that no one likes you or wants to hear from you.
I am a gen z man that voted for Harris. I’m sorry the majority of us are morons
…uhhh…we’re not?
Alienation caused by economics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx's_theory_of_alienation
Fascists have a message for them, the liberals don’t because they are committed to the current economic and political system
Men have already long been abused by the patriarchy alongside with women. In the last couple of years the so-called “liberals” claiming to fight against the patriarchy have joined in the abuse by denying men any escape from that situation
Maybe because one political party despises them and wishes for “the bear”?
Stop being worse than a bear then
If you tell an entire group of people they’re evil and dangerous because of a small percentage of them how do you think that’s gonna affect their opinion of you and their self esteem
Trump seems to be targeting men with low self esteem and people who are afraid, which the left have played right into
Democrats really did not do themselves any favours by saying stuff like that in the same way trump didn’t do himself any favours by saying stuff about women
Its not that all of you are evil, but that any one of you could be evil. Big difference. Take my brother for example, who explicitly supports me, voted the same way, and is specifically asexual. I would obviously take him, or any man I know to be similar, over a bear. I know Ill be safe with them. But if I don’t get to choose the man, then yes, the bear is the safer option. At least with a bear, I know exactly how to proceed: make noise so it can avoid me, dont leave food out to not atteact it, pack bear spray in the worst case scenario. With a man, I dont know anything about them. And if theyre the minority that will actively hunt me, there’s not a whole lot I can do to deter them or defend myself the way I could with a bear.
On a similar note, if that effects your self esteem when youre clearly not part of the problem, thats a you issue.
Did not say my self esteem, nor that I support trump
I said that’s the group trump is targeting, and the democrats are making it too easy for him to win them over by pushing that same group away
I don’t think any good sentence has ever started with “it’s not that all of (group) are evil”
Fam, we cant outreach to people who hated us first
That may be mixing up cause and effect
I’m not doubting you OP, just asking if anyone has the voter demographics data that shows Gen Z males voted for Trump because I’m interested in the #'s of the issue.
As to the question of the post: I think part of the issue is that what it means to be a strong, mentally healthy male has been left unspecified or even attacked in recent years and that’s left a lot of young men confused and upset. Men get all sorts of advice on what’s wrong to do, but not enough on what’s right. Contradictory advice makes the confusion worse.
Are you supposed to chase a girl or is that creepy? How do you navigate increased romantic isolation and dating apps in a healthy way? What are expectations about being the sole income provider a la tradition? In that vacuum confident, opinionated, clear voices are persuasive, and a lot of those voices are the jackasses pushing a toxic masculinity and telling males to reclaim it. We need more strong, positive male role models and visible social support of them if we want to win young men back - they have to know that being better will yield rewards.
Sometimes it feels like a man need to feel guilty just for being a man, even if they have done absolutely nothing wrong.
I don’t know in America. Here in Spain there is a trend in which to be “feminist” somehow you have to admit that you are a little sexist, because are men are sexist even a little. It is an absolute. It’s not even “a majority of men…” its all, no other opinions accepted.
And if you decline that premise, and just say “I’m not sexist, I treat everyone the same despite gender” you are somehow lying and trying to hide your sexism, which makes you a bad person or something.
And I refuse that. I refuse to accept having done things that I have not done. Same I reject accepting responsibility for things I have not made or enabled. And some people still want me to accept that guilt.
That trend needs to die. I know that it creates sorority making the “all of us vs all of them” rhetoric, but my humble believe is that that path do not lead to the desired destination.
Edit: I was going to start the comment with “As a man” as it was my assigned at birth gender. But in all true and while for confort I just let most people treat me with masculine gender I just do not believe in gender as a social construct. Not that I do not believe as in I do not believe it exist, I do not believe that gender is a desirable social construct we need to keep in our society. But that’s just my opinion.
I understand what you mean, and it sucks. I’ve been accused of being antisemitic because I post against Israeli policy and I’ve never cared about ethnicity or birthplace. Sometimes because I put up a post talking about supporting Jews that oppose Netanyahu’s Zionism. It doesn’t matter to some folks - if you have a problem with certain people it’s not because of what they do or say, it’s sexism, racism, etc.
Here in Canada it’s not automatically assumed men are sexist. There are folks who will say that but they are a small group. I can only imagine it’s maddening to have to defend yourself constantly, especially if most people won’t believe you no matter what. It kind of reminds me of an old Dave Chappelle sketch (NSFW language) about being accused of sleeping with someone and having people assume it happened.
And if you decline that premise, and just say “I’m not sexist, I treat everyone the same despite gender” you are somehow lying and trying to hide your sexism, which makes you a bad person or something.
We all have implicit biases, this is undeniable. Denying this doesn’t make you a bad person, but you are denying reality. Having the biases doesn’t make you a bad person either - again we all do. But you can’t be mindful of them if you deny they exist.
As I said I reject that extremist premise.
I declare it an extremist idea because is a “Black or white” “All or nothing” thing. We all need to have those biases so “some people” feel better about themselves, one way or the other.
I do not have those biases. That’s just it. The only thing I deny is a false accusation made by people that does not know me.
Because those people could came a say to me “see this behavior you had” that’s a little sexist. But not, they are unable to point such behavior, they just assume it must exist, because it’s part of their dogma.
I’m totally ok to just being pointed at something I made wrong and willing to correct it. But point it first. Not just assume that wrong behavior exist just because of a dogma.
And I also believe that accusing people of things they have not done just to fit a rhetoric is part of the cause of the disengagement of some collectives with the political mainstream left. Why would anyone would want to be near people that want humilliation, responsability and reparations for things one have just not done?
You are reading a lot into my comment about implicit biases that is literally just not there.
Have a good day!
No you’re fair to do so, here’s the demographic breakdowns and differences between 2020 and 2024 from NBC exit polls.
The particular thing to note is that Trump support jumped from 36% to 42% in the 18-29 demographic, while the other age groups remained steady, this is what I think the tweet is going off of.
You are my hero :) Thank you for the link! You are right to say that number is probably significant. Given how vocal female support of Kamala was, it’s likely young men make up a lot of that shift too. Of course we’ll have to wait for more detailed stats to be sure, but it’s not unreasonable IMO.
No worries, I love discussing numbers, and elections always give some great statistical insight, no matter where in the world it is.
My solace today is being able to look at the numbers and intellectualize some of the outcomes. Otherwise I’d just be depressed all day :')
Because the Republicans succeeded at fully killing education. It’s dead.
I am morbidly curious to see what happens over the next generation or two. The innate anti-intellectualism that seems to be a required component of right-wing policy will heavily affect red states, but blue states are still prioritizing their school systems. Is the “states’ rights” party going to sic the fed on state-controlled school systems in blue states to prevent the spread of thoughtcrime?
If it’s only blue states that continue funding education, what does that do long-term in a nation that has shifted away from being a manufacturing superpower to now primarily making its capital on knowledge industries? It is already the case that college applicants from states like Massachusetts and Connecticut get inherent bonus points in their transcripts just by virtue of where they graduated high school, because earning an A in Boston means more than earning an A in Baton Rouge. We’ve got a brain drain of doctors and nurses, and teachers and college professors, all leaving red states because the laws there are getting too oppressive for them to work. Most of the finance and technology sectors remains in the (blue) northeast and west coast states as well.
What is the long-term plan for the Republican party to empower their own constituents in these red-state strongholds when their old industries are gone, never to return, and they refuse to invest in the education and welfare of their citizens?
My prediction is that we’re going to have plaques and monuments that say “In memory of 2026, thousands of American citizens deported - and its the Democrats fault btw”
Any semblance of resistance will be labelled as “radical leftists trying to subvert the will of America”… with how over half of voters made their decision, the will of America seems far different than I remembered.
Take back your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Expel these, the homeless, tempest-tost to anywhere else, I laugh and lock our golden door!
If Trump manages to succeed in his massive deportation, someone needs to make that plaque and weld it on top of the original.
PragerU was started to indoctrinate Gen Z when the realized the Millenials were Far Left and the Boomers were dying out
Mission Accomplished…
Can’t the same be said of turning point usa?
I was today years old when I found out they were different groups
Except Millennials were worse than Gen Z. Exit polling has Gen Z men as the most democratic generation of men in this election. I don’t know where the fuck people are getting this idea that they’re right wing?
Right Wing Millenials? Haha, I laugh at that very idea
I blame social media and algorithms. My teen son for the longest time was leaning further and further right due to the content he was getting served on YouTube. He was making disparaging comments about women and how stupid they are. My wife and I who lean left had to sit down and have a talk with him about what he was saying and videos that he was getting served by YouTube (that popular red pill girl, I can’t remember her name and andrew tate among other red pill stuff). He’s a pretty smart kid, once we showed him data and articles that directly proved all the things he was watching wrong, he started to come around. He’s been careful to believe things that he sees or hears on the internet more now. Occasionally, he’ll bring things to us that we have to double take and fact check to see if it’s wrong.
Women asked for some basic goddamn respect and when they got “uppity”(because us men weren’t listening) they really got a “you were mean to me so I’m gunna elect Hitler again”. Millions of people alive today want women strip women of the rights they fought for and women are supposed to be polite about it?!
It’s crazy how weak they are and I’m sad sharing a gender with them.
the data does not support this conclusion. more young men did not vote for Trump, less people in total voted. almost no one changed their vote from last election. people were just convinced to stay home, which always results in Republican wins. both candidates got less votes total than last year, by a lot. i blame this on the “i refuse to vote for genocide” people that have just successfully accelerated that genocide.
And many of those people who voted to “elect Hitler again” were woman. I think it is wild that people keep minimizing the role of the single largest voting demographic into victims.
I thought the Harris campaigns ads to encourage female voters in red counties was incredibly demeaning.
“What happens at the polls stays at the polls”
I’m male, but I cringed hard at those ads.
I wonder if the had good reception at focus groups or something. Maybe it really did play well, I don’t know. But it made it seems like women were too weak to own their opinions or vote.
Yeahhhh, maybe treating voters like that was not a great idea. Also I got the impression if they felt safe about voting before, those ads made them reconsider.
Which would forget the huge amounts of indoctrination that subset of that group has experienced, both religious and just cultural by way of hearing “it’s a woman’s place” for their entire lives. And just because they can be stupid, too, doesn’t mean they aren’t victims and just because they’re victims doesn’t mean they can’t be stupid.
We’re all getting fucked by the right economically and it’s not even hidden a little but but they keep getting into power. It’s the same shit, different pile.
More like men don’t want to elect someone who actively and publicly tells them they’re the problem based on a minority that believe those things
A not-insignificant number of men are the problem. Where are you seeing the democrats saying this so blatantly? I haven’t seen it yet and would love to know where it’s coming from.
It’s just right wing propaganda.
Accidentally checked out /r/GenZ today. Yikes.
Because they’re being indoctrinated by Kick streamers like I was by YouTubers in 2015. It’s so disappointing to see the same shit that ruined me for years ruin them.
It’s never about gender… Turns out there are good and shitty people regardless of gender, race, religion or whatever else there might be…
