• agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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    23 hours ago

    glad to see you come around.

    I didn’t come around, that was always my view. We disagree on relative degree.

    Are meager, nominal concessions enough?

    Who said anything about “enough”? Again, relative degree. Meager, nominal concessions are better than Christo-fascism.

    The idea that Dems put the kid gloves on when dealing with genuine threats to the status quo is woefully naiive.

    I never said that. Their gloves are the same, but the Republicans are wearing brass knuckles.

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      22 hours ago

      And yet you can’t explain how Dems are easier to overthrow than Reps. You keep saying that you can get minor concessions out of Dems, but that doesn’t mean they treat Leftists any less violently.

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        22 hours ago

        The very same tepid institutionalism that prevents them from boldly accomplishing anything is exactly what makes them a more favorable enemy. Republicans don’t care about the institutions at all, they’ll install a Christo-fascist ethnostate the exact moment they have the opportunity.

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          22 hours ago

          Yes, this is utterly unsupported by historical treatment of leftist movements by dems. The tepid institutionalism comes off when dealing with threats to Capital.

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            22 hours ago

            Except for opposing cuts to social services, backing progressive taxation and capital gains tax increases, regulation of financial markets, workers rights, unions, minimum wage increases, etc.

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              22 hours ago

              So again, conflating tepid social reforms with Leftist movement. You need to go back to the drawing board.

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                21 hours ago

                Those are all transitory policies between capitalism and Leftism. One party supports them, the other opposes them. It’s not enough, but it’s a better starting point.

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                    20 hours ago

                    Do you know what a union is? It’s a worker coalition designed to give those workers a voice in their workplace.

                    Do you know what workers rights are? They’re regulatory protections that mitigate a portion of the exploitation inherent to capitalism.

                    Do you know what capital gains taxes are? They are taxes that siphon a portion of capital from the bourgeoise.

                    These are all in conflict with the interest of capital. They don’t go far enough, but they go farther than the other party. The other party opposes them. Capitalism + pro-worker social policies > capitalism - human rights. This isn’t a difficult concept.

                    You can link all the Marxist literature you want, it won’t get us closer to communism, or even socialism. This country will not vote for socialism anytime soon. If they’re not going to fill in a bubble once every couple years, they sure as hell aren’t going to take to the streets in armed rebellion.

                    These policies are the first baby steps in a larger transition. First it’s unions and higher federal minimum wage, then it’s more robust worker protections and socialized healthcare so workers have mobility, then it’s enabling worker co-ops, then it’s encouraging co-ops, then it’s mandating exclusive employee ownership. One step at a time, gradually demonstrating to the proletariat that these policies improve their lives and empower them, until they’re ready to support more dramatic change.

                    What’s your plan to translate to Worker supremacy over Capital?