• dan@upvote.au
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        1 month ago

        You need to update a bunch of separate things on Linux too, though. For example, apt or dnf, rpms and debs that aren’t in a repo (although Deb-get handles some of those), Flatpak, Snap, fwupd for firmware, plus language-specific things (npm, dotnet, cargo, Python, etc). At least the UIs handle a lot of it now.

        • iopq@lemmy.world
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          1 month ago

          That’s why I use NixOS. 100,000 packages so you really found something niche if it didn’t have it

    • frayedpickles@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Winget-ui is great, except Microsoft hasn’t figured out to conceptually make two installs of the same product get treated the same – absolutely pathetic that if you install VLC from their website you can never ever ever use Winget VLC without uninstalling the other.

    • x00z@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      “Here have this brand new house!!”

      “But you still have to smack down a few walls, disable the cameras we added, find a way to go trough your door without having your anus print registered with us, and keep us from moving your furniture to our warehouse, all for your convenience ofcourse.”

      As soon as I realized that Microsoft laughs at people trying to harden Windows I switched to Linux and never looked back. Microsoft doesn’t care about you hardening it and they don’t care about cracked versions in the slightest. You’re a statistic with an advertisement in your home and you’ll still be making money for them.

        • x00z@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          You failed to understand my point completely.

          • You’re a statistic: Your Windows installation is used in the metrics that software developers (such as game developers) use when considering what platforms to support
          • An advertisement in your home: Whenever somebody visits you, uses your computer, or talks about computers with you, you are showing them that you support Windows by using it which is a form of advertising.
          • You’ll be making money for them: Microsoft makes money on a macro scale. As I said, they don’t care about you bypassing licensing, blocking stuff, or anything similar. You use Windows, and because everybody just follows that same mentality, they are getting big money from companies and computer vendors, because they have huge monopoly.
  • IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    You people always come off as old people on infomercials.

    Anyways Linus desktop is a mess. You are delusional if you think it’s easier. Maybe more efficient workflows for certain things but easier is a lol.

    • tsugu@slrpnk.net
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      1 month ago

      I appreciate Linux for how well it can handle single-purpose tasks, like if I wanted a media centre or such, but after daily driving it for 3 years on my Desktop I’ve had enough. Anyone who thinks it’s easy has a lot of spare time they wish to invest into a thing that’s supposed to just work.

      • IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world
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        1 month ago

        I love it for long running services eg *ardar + Plex but the desktop is nearly unusable.

        Ubuntu out of the box requires you to install pulse audio, grab your device id via cli, and then run a script at bottom to set that device as the default speaker.

        Ubuntu out of the box needs scripting just to deal with an audio source that gets turned off and on. And zealots will scream it’s ready for everyone on steam to use.

        • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee
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          1 month ago

          When was the last time you installed Ubuntu?

          I’ve installed Ubuntu a bunch and never had to do that

    • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Anyways Linus desktop is a mess. You are delusional if you think it’s easie

      Use it before saying shit that’s so blatantly stupid

      • IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world
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        1 month ago

        Have a nix box upstairs. It’s much more of a pain in the ass than any windows install. Year of the Linux desktop in year 20xx 🤣

  • VonVoelksen@discuss.tchncs.de
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    1 month ago

    I don’t like windows either, but updating with Winget in terminal works pretty good. Not as good as with Linux, but better than downloading every app via browser.

  • tsugu@slrpnk.net
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    1 month ago

    Open terminal

    See whether the app is in my distro’s repos, flathub, or snapcraft (It’s not)

    Go on the internet, search up the app’s name

    Download the AppImage (might be a virus)

    LibFuse2 is not installed (fuck me)

    Install LibFuse2

    Install Gearlever to integrate AppImage into my desktop

    I can finally launch the app

    • stetech@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      Even if that’s needed, you can update apps w/o reboot usually (when sandboxed), and move opened files around (seriously wtf, Windows)…

      • tsugu@slrpnk.net
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        1 month ago

        When the hell would I need to update my Windows because of an app update? I only restart when there is a system update, which you have to do on Linux too if you want your kernel to stay up to date.

        • stetech@lemmy.world
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          1 month ago

          Well, it was what happened the last time I touched Windows in ‘22 (for work) – maybe a policy thing that a corporate app had elevated access and that’s why it forced a reboot on me for (some of the) “regular” app updates?

            • stetech@lemmy.world
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              1 month ago

              Good to challenge misconceptions regularly, so thank you! :D

              On that topic… I assume not being able to move opened files (my “go-to” use case was a PDF in Acrobat) is still unfixed though, right? Seems like that’d require a major OS and applications change to be made possible.

              • tsugu@slrpnk.net
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                1 month ago

                That I can confirm. Windows won’t let me move files if any app is using them. I sometimes do it by accident when I’m editin an office document, realize it’s in the wrong folder so I try to drag it to Documents. That won’t work. But I got used to it pretty quickly.

              • frayedpickles@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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                1 month ago

                Why would you want to mv, not cp, a file that is actively opened by a file system. Is that even possible on Linux? I could swear I’m regularly blocked from manipulating things with open file descriptors.

      • frayedpickles@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Ah yes, downloading builds from unvetted third parties and running their installers as root. Truly the Linux way.

          • jim3692@discuss.online
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            1 month ago

            People can also use the Nix package manager on any distro, and run their apps using nix-shell, so that they don’t need to install as root.

        • lseif@sopuli.xyz
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          1 month ago

          and this is different to windows how …?

          u do realize that u can (and should) read the PGKBUILD file? and check the git url which it’s cloning. or check the sha if its a binary package.

  • TheV2@programming.dev
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    1 month ago

    If I had seen this type of content when I was discovering Linux, I’d have probably stayed with Windows…

    • frayedpickles@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Yeah at least back in the old days the ones frothing at the mouth about Linux…you had to seek them out on irc or weird forums. Now the doge memes come to me.

      • TheV2@programming.dev
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        1 month ago

        I’ve been using Linux for only about 6 years. I was just lucky to never get exposed to the unofficial Linux sales group.

  • Knightfox@lemmy.oneEnglish
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    1 month ago

    I’m preparing for a new computer build and I have some questions. I’m feeling really scorned by Windows 11 and its incompatibility with my current hardware as well as the overall sense of that my privacy is being invaded. I’m not super familiar with linux, but I have messed around with various distros.

    The build I’m planning to put together will likely use an AMD processor, but I’m uncertain about the GPU (definitely AMD or Nvidia). With my current build, RX 480 and i5-6500 I have found that in recent years I get massive artifacts in relatively old games such as Planetside 2 and Path of Exile (I also play Magic Arena quite a bit, but haven’t experienced any issues there). I even get screen tearing when watching youtube or amazon prime. It’s possible that my card is just dying, but considering that I don’t consistently see these issues across multiple applications I feel like it might be a driver issue.

    I’d really like feedback and to know more about Linux gaming (especially with the games mentioned) as well as experience with AMD, Nvidia, and Intel hardware.

    Thanks to anyone who responds.

    • JargonWagon@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      In my experience, gaming worked great on Linux Mint. Overall, you may encounter issues with online gaming but only because the servers will see you’re using Linux and decide you must be cheating. Not really an issue with Linux, more an issue with the devs not doing a proper job.

      ProtonDB is a good resource to understand what games run well on Linux and what issues you may encounter.

      • Knightfox@lemmy.oneEnglish
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        29 days ago

        Oh wow, that cheating bit is interesting and something I would not have thought of. The games I play are prominently online, do you know if this is an issue with them?

        • JargonWagon@lemmy.world
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          29 days ago

          Some games will just automatically block Linux machines in their anticheat engines. This site is one that tracks online playability of games on Linux machines, or more specifically if a game will automatically block you simply because you’re playing on Linux.

    • Petter1@lemm.ee
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      1 month ago

      For me, nvidia with proprietary drivers works great, just make sure to have correct dependency packages installed for vulcan etc. (should just work in most distros if their recommended way of installing nvidia drivers is used)

  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
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    1 month ago

    Chocolatey is the best option I’ve found for this on Windows:

    Chocolatey was created by Rob Reynolds in 2011 with the simple goal of offering a universal package manager for Windows. Chocolatey is an open source project that provides developers and admins alike a better way to manage Windows software.

    You can install & uninstall software from the command line and update everything installed through it with one command.

    It’s not a real package manager of course. It can’t update the operating system, and Windows applications aren’t built for modularity and shared libraries the way Linux applications are. But it does automate application management like nothing else. I highly recommend this if you use Windows.

      • TheOakTree@lemm.ee
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        1 month ago

        Only thing I can think of is installations that include drivers. And even then, not all of them.

            • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
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              1 month ago

              If you kill explorer.exe manually it doesn’t respawn. You have to star the process yourself again.

              Unless something changed in the past year.

                • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
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                  1 month ago

                  No. It’s not. I spun up a vm and killed explorer.exe. How long should I be waiting? Cause I"m several minutes in and explorer hasn’t restarted itself yet. Also tested it on my VR computer (only non-linux physical machine in the house).

                  Here I’ll even stream it for you. https://cast.saik0.com/. I kill the process at basically 16:00(MST) it’s been 5 minutes now and the stream is going.

                  Edit: Over 19 minutes now… Still waiting for it to restart…

                  Edit2: Over an hour now… Still waiting for it to automatically restart. BTW the machine is windows 11. Latest patch/update.

  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    IDK, but I more often had issues with installing apps to Linux than to Windows, usually dependency-hell related ones, but once I had trouble enabling snap on Linux Mint.

  • hinterlufer@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    somepackage requires otherpackage version >10.1.79

    otherpackage is already at latest version

    Have fun compiling it yourself and messing up what is managed by the package manager and what’s not. And don’t forget that the update might break some other package along the way

      • Farid@startrek.website
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        1 month ago

        Don’t use apostrophes wherever you see an “s” at the end of a word. If you’re unsure about whether or not to use an apostrophe, just don’t. Because statistically, there are far fewer cases where you need 'em than there are cases where you do. Plus if you missed the apostrophe where it should be, people will just assume you didn’t bother to type it or it was a typo. Whereas if you do type it where it shouldn’t be, it’s a clear case of “this person doesn’t know how apostrophes work”.

    • dan@upvote.au
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      1 month ago

      I sometimes just give up and use Docker or a Flatpak (depending on if it’s a CLI or GUI app)

    • TunaCowboy@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      Most of the time you can just download a release and place the binary in path (or a symlink).

      Compiling it yourself should not ‘messing up’ anything, it should build locally:

      ./configure
make -j$(nproc)

      Now it’s just built, nothing on your system has changed. make install will place requisite files where they need to go, but this generally configurable via prefix or equivalent. You may need to install dependencies, but that’s usually a simple exercise in reading the output from the configuration step.

      Compiling software is easy as fuck and is incredibly flexible.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      1 month ago

      Huh, pacman always seemed to automatically work out those dependency loops, or whatever you want to call them, when I was on EndeavourOS. The only time I had an issue with updating was when I went like two weeks without updating, and then ran out of harddrive space halfway through installing the 600 updates.

      I’ve been running Bazzite for several months now, and updating is absurdly easy and unintrusive. It’s basically impossible to fuckup (and if you do, it’s extremely simple to rollback). I can really see immutable/atomic being the future of Linux.