There isn’t an universe where 8 was better than 10.
Windows 10 on the same level as ME and Vista?
Ok.
This meme says:
- windows 8 somehow is more beloved than Windows 10 (lmao)
- linux is just one single OS, instead of an agglomerate of hundreds of distributions
- and implies that every single one of them got better with time (lmao)
Are you implying that macOS is the best OS, because its arrow is the highest in the graph?
I liked Vista (I was never a RAM peasant & I liked the glass theme) and hated XP.
I was also always sad how Me was brutally sodomised by shitty third party drivers (who just renamed 98 drives).
I considered W8 and 11 just as mediocre moneygrabs or maybe a marketing stunt.
Windows Vista was better than 8 and 10, a lot of legacy devices in industry kept extended Vista support for years and years.
Yes, this is my experience also, it was stable and only a few (at the time) legacy bs didn’t work out of the box.
Having used both, Windows Vista was much worse than windows 8.
Idk macos has kinda always been the same. I would see them as consistently meh.
Where’s RedstarOS?
Redstar os is the best os everyone knows it’s the pinnacle of linux engineering
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Are you implying that win10 is worse than win8?
Definitely, yes. Win8 was unusable on desktops but was pretty good on tablets, win10 sucks on both. But the main thing is that spyware/bloatware explosion happened in win10. Xbox services, onedrive, cortana, that weather thing with msn news, fucking candy crush preinstalls, etc, all came with win10.
Which are all significantly better than Mac OS and are especially better than Linux
Yea, I’d say Win10/11 is on the same good/shit cycle as always
Though whether Win12 breaks it and continues the shitty trend is highly likely at this point
Highly disagree, 10 is just worse than 7. Its more like a downward spiral.
I’d call it a damped spring oscillation. Still goes up and down, but the extremes peter out with time.
7 > 10 > 8 > 11
On this graph 10 should be where 8 is and 8 should be where 10 is, 11 is exactly where it should be
Try to install windows 10 on hdd and see for yourself, Linux works fine no matter which device it’s loaded from, windows before 10 did too
I have Windows 10 LTSC installed on an old hard drive and it works fine.
Why would you install Windows 10 on a hard drive? If your computer is that old, you want 7 or XP
Are 7 and XP still supported?
No, but what are you going to do? Install WIn10 on a computer that’s too old and doesn’t meet the minimum specs?
If you have a 2010 computer, it’s either old WIndows or Linux, modern WIndows is going to suck, if it even works. Ergo, i can’t think of a circumstance where you’d want/have to install Win10 on a hard drive instead of an SSD.
Maybe shits and giggles, like trying to run Doom on random stuff? If someone has more imagination than me then i’m open
Modern linux mint with zram works flawlessly on lga775 4gb ram and Nvidia gt210 and hdd as main and only drive
If you’re still running 10 does it matter?
For a month or two
Windows philosophy is that it comes pre-installed and should be used with recent hardware. You may think of that what you will (environment wise etc), but to me that’s a valid design choice to make, in principle.
Can confirm. Win 10 on hdd is torture.
I am missing something. Where else would you install Windows but the HDD? (I haven’t installed windows in 20 years so I don’t know)
An SSD ? It’s about disk speed. The HDDs speed limit make win 10 sluggish as hell. While not as bad, even Linux (mint) is starting to be affected by this.
I used both on HDD. They are both slow but while Mint is predictably slow and stable, Win10 can grind to a halt unexpectedly.
I think they are talking HDD vs SSD.
Old person thanks you
If you’ve not yet tried putting an OS on an NVME drive, it’ll change your life. Or at least speed up your computing.
The only thing I disagree with here is Win8 being apparently better than Win10.
Win8 was really damn annoying to use without a touchscreen, and while Win8.1 did help, Win10 was by far the better implementation of PC Metro IMO.
Having said that, Win11 is exactly where it needs to be. It’s all of Win10’s worst traits cranked up to 11 with a heaping of it’s own bullshit and spyware on top
Windows 10 should be a dead cat bounce on this chart. Better than 8, worse than 7, better than 11 by a lot.
Win8 was really damn annoying to use without a touchscreen
So many people say that but I actually liked the menu. It opened very fast and you could far more quickly find and hit the right tile than that stupid nested programs tree that was the norm in the start menus of earlier Windows versions.
I’d say considering that telemetry started to creep in primarily with Win 10, 8 was indeed better (meaning less bad).
Personally, I felt like Win8 was an over correction in favor of touch screens vs Win7. Win8.1 was kind of the sweet spot for getting touch screen functionality into Windows while maintaining a consistent UI between tablets, laptops, and desktops. So much so that I would I would consider it to be separate point on the chart between 8 and 10.
Win10 did improve the UI a bit over that, but was so much of a step backwards in basically every other regard that I do consider that the point at which Windows started trending consistently downwards. As in, Win10 should be lower then Win7 on that curve, with Win11 lower than that, and no real hope that any future updates or versions will ever improve anything.
Wasn’t 98 the precursor to ME? I thought 2000 was the server version (or something like that)?
OP wasn’t yet born in the late second millennium, they didn’t suffer through monthly reinstalls.
/j!!
But yes, for home users NT Windows came with XP.
Can’t believe they missed out on the glorious days where to make your product sound futuristic you just stuck the number 2000 somewhere in its name
Windows 2000 sold as both a server OS and a workstation OS, but there was no home edition of 2000. There was also no professional version of Me. It would probably be more accurate to say there were two separate paths of evolution that converged with XP.
NT -> 2000 -> XP
98 -> ME -> XPThough, XP is built off of the NT kernel, so you could also argue that the 9X line ended with ME.
2000 was the first Windows with an NT kernel that was really usable on the desktop. Some may argue NT 4 but in 2000 almost everything worked as expected. XP was clearly better of course.
But you’re right - ME was actually a successor to 98 and XP was the joint successor to 2000 and ME.
Yep. In the beginning there were two threads of Windows garbage: Win NT (for companies, with NT kernel) and (MSDOS-based) Win 9x for peasants. Win 2000 was the “last” Win NT and Win Me was the last Win 9x.
That’s not 100% true as Me used something called “Real mode DOS” which limited the OS interactions with DOS and Windows XP was an evolution of the NT kernel, and all subsequent windowses come from that kernel (Vista, 7, 8, etc… and the Server variants).
Win Me was the “Mistake Edition” because it was half-baked, most of Microsoft was focusing by then on the next iteration of NT and they even didn’t ship to developers the Me version but rather Windows 2000.
And probably Windows Me was on the knowing about 9/11:
“System Restore suffered from a bug in the date-stamping functionality that could cause System Restore to incorrectly date-stamp snapshots that were taken after September 8, 2001. This could prevent System Restore from locating these snapshots and cause the system restore process to fail. Microsoft released an update to fix this problem.”
This implies that Linux is rising but still worse than the worst windows os 🫣🫠🫤😴🤧🤮🥴
the graphs are separate, not superimposed. I agree it’s confusing
They look together to me
I feel like they should cross. For a long time Linux really was “worse” than Windows in the sense that you needed some computer knowledge and deal with incompatibilities with the OS that most people were using; both have gotten better in recent years and Windows has gotten worse, so for some use cases i’d say we could be at the point that the lines cross.
Written from my Mint laptop, absolutely perfect but i’ve only used it for internet and office so nothing fancy
Yup. For me it similar. I was getting frustrated with the lack of customization in Win11, while at the same time seeing that Linux is actually viable for me with the Steam Deck.
I’ve been running Linux for a year now and while it was good enough for me to switch back then, it’s incredible how much better it has gotten since then.
Linux isn’t an upward curve, either. It mostly is, but those krackle-pops have to put a dent in the curve.
Linux is so bad it’s worse than everything else even when others are enshittifying aggressively? Got it!
Over the years I’ve tried switching to Linux and it definitely was less user friendly. I think Mint has made huge strides and hopefully will be able to take over.
I tried Ubuntu in 2015 or so, and Mint in 2018, and quit both times. Now i’ve been using Mint since last July.
I don’t know if it’s because Linux changed or i changed, but one way or another something clicked. I’m planning on switching entirely to Mint before Win10 reaches end of life because there’s no way i’m installing Win11, so i have to migrate my whole workflow by then.
Very good, I’m happy to see you’re learning new stuff!
So what you’re saying is that there has only ever been one Mac OS and one Linux OS?
How about adding some distros?
That’s not completely true, in Linux there are many points where old software sucks and new software isn’t ready for mass adoption. Like when everyone knew x11 was deprecated but nothing supported Wayland (to this day major WMs like cinnamon and xfce still haven’t switched over and most small wms never will). It gets better over time but there are dips in quality and Linux devs do sometimes make mistakes.
A lot of stuff has Wayland support in the works or is totally getting replaced by something better.
It wouldn’t make any sense to try to modify small Window managers as you would end up replacing pretty much all the code.
True, Linux is both the best and the worst at the same time.
The Base OS is great, but the apps are mostly terrible, with a few notable exceptions.
