There’s always been people doubting science. Nothing new
“Science just doesn’t know if this trans stuff is safe, don’t Leftists know their biology? Men are men and women are women!” Is something my trans ass is tired of hearing.
People have started to believe that opinions are the same or better than facts. That’s also the reason why politics is fucked.
The internet is a very big reason for that. It gives everybody a platform to spread utter bullshit.
Like people thinking the earth is a sphere. Weirdos.
People have also gone from disagreeing with each other to outright despising the other party and all people who are associated. Social media has created an echo chamber that has divided us unfortunately.
Ironic that the Right is the movement associated with the phrase “Facts don’t care about your feelings.”
“Facts researched by the University of My Brown Balls”
What do you have against Adam Conover, a certified member of the reality-based community and someone who has spent much of his career fighting on the side of facts against myth and misinformation?
I was wondering the same. Simply seems like a right-wing meme relabeled. Although notice the cyclist and colored hairs.
The problem is that Adam Ruins Everything is guilty of spreading more misinformation than it solves. (The Video Games episode is particularly embarrassing)
It’s neat entertainment and it does expose some bullshit, but it aint perfect. And to its credit it does have a few “Times we were wrong” episodes
Edit: Don’t know why the crowd is stereotypes of Liberals though, they’re not the ones on the Science Denial train unless they’re the “Betraying Transpeople will win us elections!” type
Science then: if you try to prove that the Earth orbits around the sun, we’ll have you tortured and killed
Science now: 2x2 is not 6, but go off Terry
To be fair: there are momebts when 2x2 =6 may not be an entirely unreasonable way of looking at things. (It would mean that 2=0, which is an assumtion that both can be made and is sometimes made)
That wasn’t science, that was religion for fucks sake! You know, dogma! Ideology. Fuck off!
I mean at the time, religion and science were closely intertwined, with primarily religious scholars studying astronomy and astrology
The idea that science and dogma are entirely separate things is a great way to turn yourself into a Richard Dawkins. Everyone has some ideology or another that will influence any research they do.
No shit it’s not shaped like an eagle. It’s shaped like a velociraptor.
This memes imagery couldn’t be more reversed from reality even if the message is accurate.
Eh… a lot of people were protesting “Frankenfood” when the human genome project was going on.
People have always been idiots about science, just that the idiots are more organized and more vocal now.
MSM let them on and gave them a megaphone.
The earth is an island on a turtles back.
Yeah op you’re right, people who hate science are definitely liberals with eyed bright hair
lol not all people with dyed hair are lefties
It’s still the recognized Internet stereotype.
People just aren’t noticing that this is protection.
Just 99%
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Agree with your sarcasm, but Poe’s Law applies. Always close your sarcasm HTML tag.
I always think it’s so weird when someone uses the aryan chad guy or whatever it’s called to show the “good old days” or whatever. Additionally in this case I find it curious that the images used for the folks who seem to represent the regressive anti-science crowd are a group of characters with more diverse looks. Care to explain your choices OP? @not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Dude, I’m sick to death of these undying white supremacy memes. There’s billions of cartoon faces out there, why does everyone have to use the one that’s born out of racism and hate?
Not disagreeing with you, but we really need to stop letting “Aryan” mean what the Nazis decided it should mean. Aryan is, and always has been, a term for the Indo-Iranian cultures. As scientists, we need to be the first to take it back to its actual meaning.
Agreed, as an Indo-Aryan person that always made me feel uneasy
Honestly, my opinion as someone of Indian descent is the only people that really care about “reclaiming aryan heritage” from nazis are hindutva “Brahmin piety” type people
I consider myself Indian, not Aryan
That’s just my opinion, I don’t claim to represent all indo Iranians but like honestly in my opinion the nazis can keep the aryan name
“Real” Aryans aren’t even worth being proud of anyways, the Aryans were primarily known for using chariot warfare to subjugate the Indian subcontinent and then spent centuries enforcing and enacting the horrific caste systems.
Nazis can keep the Aryan culture personally I don’t need it anyways
- my own opinions ofc
Ethno nationalism is bad, whether it’s nazi Aryanism or Hindutva Aryanism
Totally fair. As a student of ancient languages, I primarily think of it in terms of language development and archeology, so I can certainly see why its modern connotation would be spurned. I think that, since the term’s misuse came out of the bullshit archeology of Nazi Germany, it’s better to air it out for the bullshit it is.
Consider also that “Semitic” is a philological term for the languages of the varied peoples of the Arabian peninsula and the Levant, so for an Israeli politician to claim that Palestinians are “antisemitic” is hilariously stupid. There are a lot of uses of these old archeological terms and symbols that got corrupted when the Nazis first did their Nazi thing, and my hope is to disempower their rhetoric by contributing to the disempowerment of the bullshit they spawned.
I personally think it’s just hilarious that the term for “white, blonde, and blue-eyed” among racial purists literally refers to a heritage that virtually cannot be further from their supposed “ideal”. It is for this reason that I correct people, because it is just another case of Nazis and White Supremacists showing that not only do they know nothing, they actively look less intelligent with every word they spew. The more people who realize that the Nazis are wrong, the better. In the case of the thread OP to whom I replied, it seemed like an opportunity to pass on this tidbit, because their stance makes me think that they and I are like-minded in our opinion of Nazi idiocy.
Makes sense to me
Thank you for pointing that out, I have changed it to be more accurate.
Is that the Andy Ruins Everything guy?
…Adam?
Is almost like rampant breeding without any environmental pressures causes a decline in the traits that evolved to deal with those pressures. AKA, Idiocracy has happened because we’re too soft to tell people to stop fucking. “Having babies is a Gawd-given right! You can’t take away muh freedums!” Most people shouldn’t be breeding, the species weeps when ~90% of us give birth.
Great news Mr eugenicist, no more than 60% of the population can give birth.
Your eugenic sentiments aside, if you want people to have fewer babies, you don’t just tell them to stop fucking; you teach them how to use contraception and make it as accessible as possible.
But Idiocracy’s point still stands, the most poorly educated in that scenario will be the ones to reproduce the most.
I don’t think that there’s a compelling argument against population control as the future looms, how it is implemented is what I think is up for debate.
I strongly believe in personal freedom, but in an overpopulated world, I’m not certain that freedom should extend to reproduction.
Here’s where I get a little eugenic-y, and it feels icky, downvote if you must, but I’d prefer an intelligent reply. Why should a species, faced with the problem of overpopulation and gifted the power of sentience, not elevate it’s best and suppresses it’s worst? Maybe because I don’t feel a personal drive to have kids, my partner isn’t interested either, but it feels very selfish to think you personally have the right to add one more unregulated specimen to the petri dish.
Is it a huge turn away from what has made us human since forever? Yea, but wasn’t the Internet? Internal combustion engines? I don’t feel strongly enough about this to not be swayed in my ideas, but I just see it as a logical extension of a problem we face. What would Vulcans do?
Why should a species, faced with the problem of overpopulation and gifted the power of sentience, not elevate it’s best and suppresses it’s worst?
For fucks sake dude, literally every time this sentiment comes up someone points it out: who decides who is the best and who is the worst? Your idea of who is worthy of reproducing and who isn’t is just as subjective as any nazi’s. Why should you get to decide whether I can have kids, and who would give you that authority?
That’s a point that we AGREE upon. I feel like me saying it feels icky and acknowledging the awful history of eugenics was just ignored. This isn’t a global famine sized problem yet, but when it is, and this conversation is forced upon us, then what? If you agree that overpopulation is a looming problem, what solution do you propose?
You acknowledged the awful history, and then proceeded to ask why we shouldn’t do it again.
I personally don’t agree that overpopulation is a problem we need to try and solve. If overpopulation kills people, let it. We won’t go extinct. It’s not our place to try and solve a self-correcting problem by deciding whose human rights we should violate.
people who have access to equitable righta and education (ie girls go to school, everyone has access to the economy and healthcare including sexual health) tend to self-regulate the population towards sustainable levels.
Stupidity is created through systemic sexism, dumbification, and reinforcement of poverty.
Baby booms happen when people don’t know how the world, including their bodies, work, and when uterus-havers are isolated and have control over their own life paths and bodies removed.
the usa before women had equitable banking, voting, education, healthcare, and employment access is a fine example – there are plenty around the world.
tl;dr overpopulation is an effect of discriminatory and oppressive environments and not a herreditary issue.
we are born to a bellcurve of smartness; just a lot of people get it starved and beaten out of them and are put on the prison pipeline before they can figure out what’s going on.
we’ve known this a long time but it’s hard to ‘sell’ to privledged people who didn’t have to think about it and don’t want to talk about reperations for redlining, boarding schools, etc… (good morning and welcome to the Blood Machine)
can anyone write a monster truck ad version of my comment that is readable at a 3rd grade level, pls?
also, it’s the power grip and reciprocity. that’s what makes us human.
It was good information until you decided to be a dick at the end. I was going to thank you for a decent response but actually fuck you for deciding that I need a 3rd grade monster truck ad to understand it. That sort of elitism is a big part of the reason the stupid half of the country fucking hates the educated half.
It’s mostly the red hat cult that doesn’t trust science.
What do you have against redhat.com?
They shifted to a paid subscription model and fucked over any goodwill they had. Yeah they were major contributors to open source, but we gave them clemency because we didn’t think they’d position themselves to fuck us over so eagerly. Had we known, we wouldn’t have made so many downstream distros from them.
When was RHEL non-sub? I’m guessing you’re thinking of the code availability change, or maybe centos? Or are you literally thinking of the RH and not RHEL?
Yeah they were major contributors to open source
Still are.
Had we known, we wouldn’t have made so many downstream distros from them.
I remember rocky, alma, oracle, and Amazon. 2 of those are now upstream, 2 are still downstream (and only 1 wasn’t corpo backed).
Alternatively they might not have made that change if people weren’t literally repacking their product and trying to steal their market share by giving it away for free with cheaper enterprise support. Imagine telling that to a room of rich shareholders.
You can’t jump on an already successful FOSS product, make large changes to it under an extremely copy-left license free for all to use, and then turn around and claim that people are stealing your lunch.
In the world of business where everyone claims to have bootstrapped their products out of thin air? Sure, use that Looney tunes logic.
I agree with you, but we aren’t corpo assholes. And those changes were allowed under that extremely copy-left license.
Not that red hat cult, the other one. 😂
This one? https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=red+hat+cult
I really don’t get it.
MAGA cult
It’s an awkward example to pick. Human genome research was so controversial someone made an award-winning dystopian sci-fi movie to criticise it.
We did collectively get Maya Hawke out of that deal, though.
Incidentally, that was written by the same guy who made dystopian fiction about reality TV and corporate-sponsored vtubers before either thing existed. Andrew Niccol turned out to be amazing at spotting upcoming trends, terrible at identifying how exactly they would ruin things.
