For the past week the people of China and the United States, as well as other countries have been comparing notes. Debunking propaganda on both sides. Realizing that much of what we’ve all been told for years/decades, has been lies.
For starters, that the Uyghur genocide is yet another piece of atrocity propaganda from the US. We know what a genocide looks like and how it’s impossible to hide in the modern world, as Gaza showed.
Blurry satellite pictures of buildings and a German fascist swearing it for ten pages (financed by Raytheon and Lockheed-Martin) isn’t proof.
Lmao. Mehdi Hasan is an opportunist. You can check Uyghurs living in China rather than ones deliberately selected by a known ally of the US, Qatar. Extraordinary claims require proof and I haven’t seen anything other than hearsay, which is the first weapon of the CIA as with Saddam’s WMDs and Park Yeonmi’s claims of the DPRK making people pull trains by hand lmao.
If you have any evidence that isn’t “I swear they do it”, I’ll be waiting. Though not holding my breath.
Oh believe me I have. Medhi Hasan is just a quick easy link to see if you were being genuine or not. Not. One of my favorite YouTubers lived in shenzhen. She doesn’t post anymore. Because she and her partner who happens to be a trans Uyghur we’re physically threatened and called out by the government for mild criticisms. Which is extremely sad since she was very good representation for people in China in general. And would have shown that the government of China isn’t as bigoted and racist as it obviously is had they simply not been so insecure that they couldn’t take such mild criticism.
Oh by the way congratulations on your fallacy. Attacking the messenger. You didn’t refute anything from the segment. I mean I would have been surprised. Let me tell you floored if you had. But we know better than that.
Because there are some functional governments in the world that don’t allow US misinformation to spread without challenge.
They also suppress Falun Gong, are you telling me that’s in and of itself proof that their cultist shit is one hundred percent true? If so tell me so I can laugh my ass off
…which truth came out? They don’t have CCP officials required by law to work at tech companies and disclose any and all data they acquire? They’re not using Uyghur slaves in their factories? They’re not trying to literally erase Taiwan off the maps? They’re not still censoring information about their horrific pasts? They’re not targeting, retaliating against and kidnapping protestors domestic and abroad? They’re not censoring virtually every US social website entirely from the entire country? Please bring me up to speed.
E: any of you downvoters, feel free to correct me, I’d love to be wrong.
You throw a bunch of claims with zero source and wants to be taken seriously. At least give us the bare minimum before just spewing this much US State Department propaganda.
That being said, I will address some of your points, since someone else might stumble upon this and need an actual answer.
They don’t have CCP officials required by law to work at tech companies and disclose any and all data they acquire?
Keeping a close look on the companies on their country and keeping them on a short leash is good actually. China is not a capitalist hellhole like the US or most of the world, it is a socialist state where the rich does not control the government. Keeping them in check is the right thing to do given their current development level of socialism.
They’re not using Uyghur slaves in their factories?
They’re not trying to literally erase Taiwan off the maps?
LMAO, no. Taiwan is part of China, why would China want to erase part of itself off the map? Even the US agrees. The only thing China wants is proper reunification with Taiwan.
They’re not still censoring information about their horrific pasts?
What “horrific past”? Be specific, this vague stance achieves nothing. If you’re talking about Tiananmen Square, here’s a good video about that: The Tiananmen Square “Massacre” Never Happened.
They’re not targeting, retaliating against and kidnapping protestors domestic and abroad?
Again, provide a damn source, I have no idea of what you’re talking about and it is something I never saw anyone claim before.
They’re not censoring virtually every US social website entirely from the entire country?
No they are not, Microsoft operates in China. Not only that, but they do not explicitly want to simply ban US sites on there, it’s a simple matter of national sovereignty where companies like Facebook and Google refuse to abide by Chinese law, so China simply developed all their tools in-house. Not only that, but Chinese citizens have access to VPNs and can easily access websites abroad that are not usually allowed in China.
I’m not here to defend the Chinese government or anything, but there is an argument to be made that the US has an equivalency to each one of these things.
CCP officials at tech companies - NSA backdoors
Uyghur slaves - Prison labor aka war on drugs
Taiwan - Gaza/Literally any “3rd world” nation with oil
Censorship - Right wing media empires/red state bills targeted to downplay US atrocities taught in schools
Retaliation against protestors - Police brutality
Social media censorship - Oligarchs owned social media
I think a lot of people are less falling for Chinese propaganda and more overcoming US propaganda.
With the caveat that we have tons of actual evidence for the US equivalent, whereas the claims that China does those things are usually “We absolutely swear they do bro” from the people who swore Hamas was raping babies or whatever.
Bro you can stop that narrative. The truth is out now.
What truth? Who talks like this and thinks it means something?
For the past week the people of China and the United States, as well as other countries have been comparing notes. Debunking propaganda on both sides. Realizing that much of what we’ve all been told for years/decades, has been lies.
I’m ootl. What debunks have come out?
For starters, that the Uyghur genocide is yet another piece of atrocity propaganda from the US. We know what a genocide looks like and how it’s impossible to hide in the modern world, as Gaza showed.
Blurry satellite pictures of buildings and a German fascist swearing it for ten pages (financed by Raytheon and Lockheed-Martin) isn’t proof.
You should say that to the faces of the people and families impacted by this. I’m sure they’ll have kind words for a propagandizing hypocrite.
Authoritarian governments whether they’re western or not. Are no friend of the proletariat/people.
Lmao. Mehdi Hasan is an opportunist. You can check Uyghurs living in China rather than ones deliberately selected by a known ally of the US, Qatar. Extraordinary claims require proof and I haven’t seen anything other than hearsay, which is the first weapon of the CIA as with Saddam’s WMDs and Park Yeonmi’s claims of the DPRK making people pull trains by hand lmao.
If you have any evidence that isn’t “I swear they do it”, I’ll be waiting. Though not holding my breath.
Oh believe me I have. Medhi Hasan is just a quick easy link to see if you were being genuine or not. Not. One of my favorite YouTubers lived in shenzhen. She doesn’t post anymore. Because she and her partner who happens to be a trans Uyghur we’re physically threatened and called out by the government for mild criticisms. Which is extremely sad since she was very good representation for people in China in general. And would have shown that the government of China isn’t as bigoted and racist as it obviously is had they simply not been so insecure that they couldn’t take such mild criticism.
Oh by the way congratulations on your fallacy. Attacking the messenger. You didn’t refute anything from the segment. I mean I would have been surprised. Let me tell you floored if you had. But we know better than that.
Easy to make claims, I’m still waiting for a single lick of evidence tho.
That segment had a whole lot of claims, again, with no evidence, so how can I refute what hasn’t been proven? It’s refuted by default.
If it’s fake why is it censored in Chinese apps and websites?
Because there are some functional governments in the world that don’t allow US misinformation to spread without challenge.
They also suppress Falun Gong, are you telling me that’s in and of itself proof that their cultist shit is one hundred percent true? If so tell me so I can laugh my ass off
So according to you it’s the job of a functional government to select which topics are missinformation and can be seen or not by it’s citizens?
…which truth came out? They don’t have CCP officials required by law to work at tech companies and disclose any and all data they acquire? They’re not using Uyghur slaves in their factories? They’re not trying to literally erase Taiwan off the maps? They’re not still censoring information about their horrific pasts? They’re not targeting, retaliating against and kidnapping protestors domestic and abroad? They’re not censoring virtually every US social website entirely from the entire country? Please bring me up to speed.
You throw a bunch of claims with zero source and wants to be taken seriously. At least give us the bare minimum before just spewing this much US State Department propaganda.
That being said, I will address some of your points, since someone else might stumble upon this and need an actual answer.
Keeping a close look on the companies on their country and keeping them on a short leash is good actually. China is not a capitalist hellhole like the US or most of the world, it is a socialist state where the rich does not control the government. Keeping them in check is the right thing to do given their current development level of socialism.
That’s a new one, so far I have only heard about how they are being genocided. Which you can debunk with a little bit of research: Arab League’s visit to Xinjiang rejects Western accusations of ethnic genocide, religious persecution.
LMAO, no. Taiwan is part of China, why would China want to erase part of itself off the map? Even the US agrees. The only thing China wants is proper reunification with Taiwan.
What “horrific past”? Be specific, this vague stance achieves nothing. If you’re talking about Tiananmen Square, here’s a good video about that: The Tiananmen Square “Massacre” Never Happened.
Again, provide a damn source, I have no idea of what you’re talking about and it is something I never saw anyone claim before.
What I can do tho is bring into attention the names of a few people like Huey P. Newton being killed by the US government and Snowden having to seek asylum abroad after blowing the whistle on the US surveillance state for the world to see. And if that’s not enough, how about Pro-Palestinian protesters clash with US police on second night of DNC and New Report Details How Pro-Palestinian Protests Are Suppressed in Democratic Countries.
No they are not, Microsoft operates in China. Not only that, but they do not explicitly want to simply ban US sites on there, it’s a simple matter of national sovereignty where companies like Facebook and Google refuse to abide by Chinese law, so China simply developed all their tools in-house. Not only that, but Chinese citizens have access to VPNs and can easily access websites abroad that are not usually allowed in China.
Meanwhile the US banned Huawei and tried to ban TikTok when it became apparent they could not control it and that the people were seeing the US for what it truly is, a genocidal state funding Israel in it’s attempt to genocide the Palestinian people.
The last link I posted is a proxy on 12ft.io since The Intercept won’t allow to see the page without registering.
No you wouldn’t. If you were, you’d have listen to the many people that probably have corrected you on all those State Department talking points
That’s never happened. And being that you haven’t either, I think it’s a fair guess that it won’t anytime soon.
You make a compelling argument.
about as compelling as the argument you made
I’m not here to defend the Chinese government or anything, but there is an argument to be made that the US has an equivalency to each one of these things.
CCP officials at tech companies - NSA backdoors
Uyghur slaves - Prison labor aka war on drugs
Taiwan - Gaza/Literally any “3rd world” nation with oil
Censorship - Right wing media empires/red state bills targeted to downplay US atrocities taught in schools
Retaliation against protestors - Police brutality Social media censorship - Oligarchs owned social media
I think a lot of people are less falling for Chinese propaganda and more overcoming US propaganda.
If you think any of those are remotely the same, you’re simply delusional.
Correct, the American ones are much worse.
It’s true, the atrocities the US is commits are on a far greater scale.
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With the caveat that we have tons of actual evidence for the US equivalent, whereas the claims that China does those things are usually “We absolutely swear they do bro” from the people who swore Hamas was raping babies or whatever.