Is anyone actually surprised by this?

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      Lmao. Mehdi Hasan is an opportunist. You can check Uyghurs living in China rather than ones deliberately selected by a known ally of the US, Qatar. Extraordinary claims require proof and I haven’t seen anything other than hearsay, which is the first weapon of the CIA as with Saddam’s WMDs and Park Yeonmi’s claims of the DPRK making people pull trains by hand lmao.

      If you have any evidence that isn’t “I swear they do it”, I’ll be waiting. Though not holding my breath.

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        Oh believe me I have. Medhi Hasan is just a quick easy link to see if you were being genuine or not. Not. One of my favorite YouTubers lived in shenzhen. She doesn’t post anymore. Because she and her partner who happens to be a trans Uyghur we’re physically threatened and called out by the government for mild criticisms. Which is extremely sad since she was very good representation for people in China in general. And would have shown that the government of China isn’t as bigoted and racist as it obviously is had they simply not been so insecure that they couldn’t take such mild criticism.

        Oh by the way congratulations on your fallacy. Attacking the messenger. You didn’t refute anything from the segment. I mean I would have been surprised. Let me tell you floored if you had. But we know better than that.

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          Easy to make claims, I’m still waiting for a single lick of evidence tho.

          That segment had a whole lot of claims, again, with no evidence, so how can I refute what hasn’t been proven? It’s refuted by default.

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            It’s literally in a video you refused to watch. Actual families confronting a CCP government ghoul about the imprisonment of their loved ones. Though I’m sure you will just hand wave that all away and claim they were manufactured by the cia. Because you’re not here debating anything in good faith.

            And Hell while we’re at it. Since you chuckleheads are blocked by the China you defend so much. Go read up on Naomi Wu she was practically an unofficial brand ambassador for creality in Shenzhen. A truly fascinating and wonderful person with a real passion for technology. And creativity. Who made the sin of talking about her life. And how the CCPs bone headed policies had impacted her. My words not hers. She spoke very differentially and sparingly about the idiotic policies. Many of which even the CCP have distance themselves from such as the one child policy. But they are so insecure and fragile that her even talking about her early childhood was too much for them to take.

            The true irony is that she is the very sort of person they should be promoting, elevating to prove that they changed from those days and those policies. That they were the sort of people leninists always defend them as. Funny they didn’t. Instead threatening her and her loved ones.

            I tend not to bring her up by name. Because she is not an activist and just wants to try to live her life. And I respect that. But it’s relatively safe here as I said since you all are blocked in China. It likely won’t get back in a negative way. And I’m sure you’ll just hand wave it away as somehow being more CIA psyops. Sounding as crazy as the local magats conspiracy theories.

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              Again, this is not the first time atrocity propaganda is leveled at a government that the US doesn’t like. Look at the Nayirah testimony.

              A claim is not evidence, regardless of who makes it or at what forum they do it. Evidence is evidence.

              Do you have it, or not? Because it seems like you don’t.

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                They literally posted a video with actual victims confronting the government. And told the story of another one in particular. Your video has some guy not personally impacted by any of this talking about what he thinks he saw somewhere.

                And what’s with the projection? You’re the one making claims but not actually providing any real evidence. Maybe it’s not as bad as the United States says. But it certainly isn’t like the Chinese government says it is either.

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                  Again, a video with claims isn’t evidence. If you wanted me to prove the genocide in Gaza, Id have hundreds of videos to show it happening. If you wanted me to prove the Abu Ghraib black sites and the Guantanamo Bay tortures, I’d have plenty to show you as well.

                  People claiming it in public isn’t evidence. If there’s an Uyghur genocide, I’d like to see a single bit of incontrovertible evidence.

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                Sad. You can’t address what was said. You don’t even have an interest in looking into it. Hypocritically squealing about propaganda. While spouting it. There’s plenty to criticize the United States on. A lot of the same things you can criticize China on. Well not you. People who thank you critically and engage in good faith however.

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                    9 hours ago

                    I didn’t make those claims. Sterilization et all. You debunked nothing. Yes some are making fantastic claims with no proof. All I did was state that China was imprisoning many and oppressing them along with other groups. And I provided links to actual people you deny existence of who have been personally impacted. It’s a hypocritical and tone deaf behavior. But also unsurprising.

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                  I keep asking for evidence and you keep pontificating about the fact that all you have is claims lmao. Sorry for not letting you deflect from the fact that you don’t have evidence.