Keep it polite, folks.
Its one guy(whos the mod) posting a bunch of stupid shit there. A bunch of the posts are just “i compared you to a minority group so i win the argument”. Some of the “memes” are so badly made that it actually shows you problems with windows more than linux.
I’ve seen the same thing. I remember thinking to myself a couple of times, “This isn’t the dunk you think it is.”
There’s clearly a fundamental misunderstanding there about how Linux development happens when the majority of the terrible memes treat the thousands of open source projects that go into the myriad of different distributions as a single monolithic effort run by some central authority. Or that there’s some coordinated effort to obscure the truth about switching from Windows because evangelizing the gospel of Linux is more important than everything else. And that’s beside the fact that so many of the memes aren’t even grounded in fact or are just badly outdated.
I’ve never bothered to interact with anyone there, and everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I legitimately think that there are issues at play here that go beyond mere preferences in operating systems. I won’t antagonize the situation because of that.
Omg the downvotes in that community 🤣
Wasn’t the guy who made it banned? Is he the one who made that fuck America community of whatever it was called?
I honestly think the whole Linux community should be reading that sub rather than acting like Linux is perfect. Right now desktop Linux is for very tech savvy people who are willing to put in the time to learn and fix, and it’s for their grandmas who only need a web browser and maybe a word processor. Anyone who thinks differently needs to get their head out of the sand. I use Fedora.
Wow, I assumed this was just some lighthearted trolling. I think they might actually be upset.
This sucks. I was about to sub and contribute.
there can only be one!
Madthumbs finally got some psychiatric help huh?
The posts are locked, so folks cannot comment. And the community itself is locked, so non-moderators cannot post. But madthumbs is a moderator.
Nothing loaded at all for me. So it looked like it just got nuked.
Oh, do you have the community blocked? I think, that would do that…
I dont remember doing it but I might have after he banned me with a snarky little message.
Lol don’t give them any attention. It’s the same 3 people who didn’t get loved enough during their formative years and cannot distinguish between good attention and bad attention
All three of them are Lunduke.
But lunduke doesn’t hate Linux. Only the fact that women are using it.
Idk if this is a joke or not.
Based on his more recent content, it’s almost serious.
Meh. I have no issues with novelty accounts/ projects that are taking the piss.
Microwaving any of your computer parts can brick them.
I accidentally ran
rm -rf /on my work MacBook once. Proper backups and patience with yourself are far better solutions than recommending to let Microsoft infect your computer.moms gonna be pissed
One of the reasons I dont like local moderators being perpetually in charge of some communities. We should have a way to vote out unwanted mods. Or at least have term limits.
This entire conversation is solving a problem that’s already been mostly solved.
If you don’t like an existing community, whether because of the mods or whatever, you just create a new one. This was common on Reddit (e.g. GameOfThrones vs FreeFolk vs ASOIAF), and extends further. If you don’t like !Linux@lemmy.world, you can create !Linux@lemmy.ml, @programming.dev, @lemm.ee, or hundreds of others.
The community will respond accordingly. If you run a better ship, people will find it and respond accordingly. The only real hurdle is fighting inertia. The mods of the existing community will probably not take kindly to anyone mentioning any alternatives.
I personally think the solution above will make people more confused. I’m already lost posting to the 5x Linux communities.
Sure everyone can make their own, except that there is a big threshold to actually get people moving. So unless something really but and bad happens, nobody cares and just stays. See Reddit -> Lemmy and how that did not happen apart of a small group of people.
Just create a new community
On the flip side, if I create a community for some really niche thing that I want to discuss with others, I don’t want an irrational mob of users kicking me out of my own community that I worked to grow.
Mob mentality on social media is also a real problem. People see downvotes and continue to down vote a comment without even reading the whole thing, automatically assuming a user must be an asshole if everyone else downvotes them.
I don’t want an irrational mob of users kicking me out of my own community that I worked to grow.
Without the “irrational mob of users,” wouldn’t the community just be you, and thus… not a community?
Isn’t that missing the entire point? “It’s my community I built it.”
So the people who exist in the community and partake in it aren’t part of it? Only you are because you spearheaded it? When you die they will shut it down in reverence for what has been lost, like the NBA retires numbers?
Then why even give a shit and start one and put unpaid hours into it? I don’t do any work without an end product to show for it. The users are just casually posting media. The mod has to sit there all day and make sure the community doesn’t turn into a shit show.
The mayor doesn’t own the town
At least the ones that do are the villains in those stories
I don’t do any work without an end product to show for it.
Then you honestly don’t understand what a community is or why you would want to be involved with it. Sadly this attitude seems to be everywhere these days.
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit.
A community isn’t just for you.
We’re literally in the Linuxmemes community where we’re supposed to be part of an Open Source community so this attitude fucking baffles me.
If I write code that gets overwritten by better code, is it really worth it to bitch about how I have nothing to show for it now?
I get that. But I’m from the old school. In the 90s and early 2000s, if you paid for server space, bandwidth, and set up a forum for multiple users, nobody questioned whether it was yours or not and your ability to do whatever you want with it. Users who didn’t like it moved on or started their own.
You don’t own a community on another instance, it’s not even an ambiguous question, you can make one and be the main or only mod. But you do so with the understanding that the actual instance admins can remove you as a mod at any time.
You can still have that level of ownership with your own Lemmy instance, if you wish
Yup. I realize that. If the admin above me says to go fuck myself, I won’t hesitate to leave for another instance.
If you grow it, that’s great! If a “mob of users” votes you out… that’s the community.
That’s literally bullying, what the fuck.
Uh, if you can’t tell the difference between voting and bullying, I don’t know what to tell you.
Maybe have it so only users with x amount of time can “vote” to prevent brigading.
Worked for valve and the steam deck as an anti scalper measure.
And if it doesn’t grow but a mob of users that you’ve pissed off somewhere else go find your community and vote you out of it?
If it doesn’t grow and it’s only you and get kicked out of the server for being a nuisance, nothing is lost. There was no community there to begin with. Actually, there was a greater super set community that rejected the mod. And, if there’s a small community and they kick you out, even if you founded and started the community, then that’s what the community wants.
You are ignoring that harassment is a problem. If any group of people has the power to follow you around and kick you out of any space you create then congrats, you’ve just made Kiwi Farms a new playground.
That’s what admins are for, meta moderation. I’m not proposing said solution or even suggesting it is desirable. Harassment exist in all human spaces and it is up to those in positions of authority and the collective consensus to stop it. But most internet spaces are dictatorial and authoritarian by default. There are plenty of examples on the fediverse alone. If any admin chooses to promote or protect the harassment then you’re out of luck. If someone wants to annoy the Admins, then they have no moral obligation to protect your community. They are the one’s hosting the service and paying for the servers and bandwidth. No mod has any sort of ownership over anything in here.
That’s a good legitimate issue.
There’s some things that could be done, like only allow people that have been part of the community for x amount of time may help. But it will definitely need to be thought about further.
But the current solution is permanent changes by mods of a community you are part of still sucks.
Sucked when it was part of reddit and sucks that it’s still a thing here
I guess I was thinking like the majority would have to vote you out, that kind of thing…
That was a potential solution I’d considered as well, but that’s also open to abuse (join a community, set a reminder for x amount of time, do the same thing as you were going to do anyway but with a delay). It would probably stop casual harassment but not do much for the KF-level stuff.
If it was easy to solve someone would have already done it, is my feeling. IMO trust in your instance admin to be fair when the community is at odds with the mods is the only practical way to deal with it without basically reinventing secure voting with verified voters. Which sounds like a hassle, but Godspeed to anyone who wants to give it a go.
I may take a stab at it if it bothers me enough. I dont know rust, but I could possibly see playing around with piefed/bookwyrm or some other like platform to prototype. Its probably one of those issues that comes up so rarely that we dont really need to worry too much about. Until its my instance of course 😜 .
Reminder ban communities would totally be a thing. To that, I have no solution other than they would have to be extra-ordinarily coordinated in their trolling. Which the internet is want to do…
To be fair having benevolent mods/admins/dictators are the best case scenario (and we are honestly in a pretty good spot in the fedi).
Not trying to be a dick, just trying to help, but the word you want is “…the internet is wont to do.” It’s a weird ass homophone.
Who did this? The mods themselves? I mean they’re entitled to do whatever they like in their community… within instance rules… Or is this some intervention by someone else?
Only the mod posts there anyway. Locking the community is a mod power.
But I guess the admins can overpower any mod, so it could be them as well?!
I’m not even all the way switched over and I got my only comment deleted. I apparently broke the rule about only being allowed to hate.
How is this not a joke community, like the Lunduke videos?
Well, Lunduke is making more nuanced content that is something more than just ragebait. He doesn’t intentionally spread wrong factual claims. And he doesn’t spend a portion of his days on banning people and sending snarky comments.
Lunduke is great to listen as long as his videos are not about “wokeness”, and lately all of them are, so I ended up unsubscribing him.
I thought the same at first, then I started to think the main person was just trolling, now I’m pretty sure they’re actually serious
