Parker, specifically the Jotter. I still have and use a stainless steel one that I bought in 1999 because I kept losing pens, and I thought that if I spent a little more on one I might take better care of it. It’s my favorite by far.

Gotcha… as you can see, it probably depends on who you ask!

“Echo chamber” definitely has a negative connotation, which is why I don’t think the specific-purpose group is acting as an echo chamber at least not insofar as they are keeping the group on-topic.

I’m assuming this is meant to be an example of a real-world scenario, and I suspect it would be helpful to hear the actual scenario so that we can comment on the nuances of the specifics rather than wondering if the nuances of the example are relevant or not.

But, to take your example at face value: no, I don’t believe the expelled rose-lover is correct about the tulip lover’s club being an echo chamber. The tulip lover’s club is about tulips… it’s in the name, and that’s why it’s members gather there. The rose-lover is coming in talking off-topic to the point that the members of the tulip lover’s club have found it distracting. It’s nothing to do with an echo chamber. I would probably expel someone from my chess club if they showed up and constantly tried to get everyone to play monopoly instead.

Understood, but OP mentioned that he wanted something without a backup camera, so that’s why I was asking for clarification.

Can you clarify exactly what you mean by a “dumb car”? Do you just mean that it doesn’t have a screen in the cockpit? Or something else?