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  • Quack Doc@lemmy.worldtoLinux@lemmy.mlWe don't need more Wayland Compositors
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    13 days ago

    Click baity title aside. This is actually pretty much pretty true. What the vast majority of people want when they’re writing their own composers seems to be specifically the custom window management aspects.

    And it is true that even with something like Wlroots or a Smithay, it is a lot of works right your own composer and have it be “competitive”. And he is right. There are a lot of composers out there that are just not usable for anything more than the basics. And there are tons more which are just toys that have been abandoned that aren’t really usable. That being said we saw a lot of that with window managers, But yes, writing a compositor is a lot more then writing a window manager.

    I personally don’t use hyperland, but I can see the point he’s trying to make, and I think it’s a rather good point. I think if we had more compositors that focused on having a scriptable window management, then that would be for the better.

    I don’t really see this as toxic either. I mean, if it’s toxic to call a composite or trash in one way or another, then I would argue that 90% of the Linux community is far more toxic than he is. It’s just a matter of truth. Wayland is a big complicated thing with a lot of protocols and some of it is poorly documented.

    And of course, this is him shilling his own composter. It’s his own composter, and this is the blog about him making his own composter. Of course he’s gonna put a post on it, shilling his own compositor.

    That being said, As I said earlier, I would like to see a more scriptable take for things like window management. I don’t think hyprland has to be unique in this aspect, but as it stands, it most definitely is.

    pardon my weird language, its hard to use STT.



  • None of them are really great, Im hoping cosmic in the future will be, as it stands.

    “Touch primary” DEs (IE. Phone, tablet with no keyboard or detachable etc.) I think are the way to go.

    Plasma mobile is king 100% nothing gets remotely close right now.

    Phosh I found far too buggy, and the apps are far too limiting. Things like squeekboard for instance don’t scale properly, I had issues running chromium browsers on it too.

    Ubuntu touch uses lomiri which im sure is great, I havent had luck running lomiri on any “common generic PC” linux distros. I did try getting it running on arch but found too many issues.

    swmo is nice in theory, but it’s missing a lot of the ergonomics.

    Plasma mobile is missing a lot. It has some not great design choices I find, however it by far has the best app ecosystem in terms of actual app quality, as well as actually working fine on tablets and phones alike.

    For touch secondary experiences I find KDE and Gnome to be just about as you would expect, Both are fine and mostly navigatable on touch only stuff, I would say KDE is often a lot better in terms of responsiveness, Gnome I can find bugs out as @that_leaflet@lemmy.world said. That being said, In portait mode, KDE is down right terrible some times as many KDE desktop apps have zero support for portrait aspect ratios, and you are relying on scaling being “low” enough that the app can fit fine anyways.

    as for some stuff you can look forwards to in the future, We are starting to see stuff like catacomb which is designed for phones. I also had some actually great luck with Niri but it’s mostly just buggy, and you still need something to manually launch keyboards.

    In terms of applications, I have absurdly high hopes for cosmic apps. Each one I have used this far has a “tiling first” design policy, which translates pretty much 1:1 with being flexible for a phone it turns out, While cosmic apps have really poor touch support, if you install them and pretend your mouse is a finger, you will find that each one is almost perfect in a phone form factor.

    EDIT: I wish I could say linux touch was in a good spot but realistically it’s not. I personally recommend just installing something like Bliss or using waydroid as the primary experience. I am very active in the bliss community because in large part tablets and touch support. Android is still far better then linux is in general, even if a little less flexible, you can have a fully foss install like what I have personally.


  • is another big factor, and probably the one that finally tipped the scales

    means that it is not the sole motivating factor.

    which means even if they are literally adolf hitler, I shouldn’t care, as long as they don’t post about gassing people on my server

    Literally means that if they go around spewing crap, they get dealt with. This is not condoning hateful trolling at all. He is on the free speech side of things, but that doesn’t mean he condones it at all. If you start posting bad crap, you get dealt with. Minor slights, are as the name implies, minor. Those are allowed but within strict limitations, if you start going full blown idiot, you get dealt with.


  • Wrong. This was originally technically motivated as hyprland had been limited by wlroots in the past and often had different update cycles from sway causing packaging issues.

    Vaxry never condoned hateful trolling of trans people. In fact, he publicly acknowledged, and apologized for the lack of moderation that lead to the incident, said he would do better, DID better, and THEN after everything had blown over FDO tried to ego butt into his server even more.