tldr: I’d like to set up a reverse proxy with a domain and an SSL cert so my partner and I can access a few selfhosted services on the internet but I’m not sure what the best/safest way to do it is. Asking my partner to use tailsclae or wireguard is asking too much unfortunately. I was curious to know what you all recommend.
I have some services running on my LAN that I currently access via tailscale. Some of these services would see some benefit from being accessible on the internet (ex. Immich sharing via a link, switching over from Plex to Jellyfin without requiring my family to learn how to use a VPN, homeassistant voice stuff, etc.) but I’m kind of unsure what the best approach is. Hosting services on the internet has risk and I’d like to reduce that risk as much as possible.
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I know a reverse proxy would be beneficial here so I can put all the services on one box and access them via subdomains but where should I host that proxy? On my LAN using a dynamic DNS service? In the cloud? If in the cloud, should I avoid a plan where you share cpu resources with other users and get a dedicated box?
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Should I purchase a memorable domain or a domain with a random string of characters so no one could reasonably guess it? Does it matter?
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What’s the best way to geo-restrict access? Fail2ban? Realistically, the only people that I might give access to live within a couple hundred miles of me.
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Any other tips or info you care to share would be greatly appreciated.
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Feel free to talk me out of it as well.
I use this https://github.com/ZoeyVid/NPMplus. I use unifi for goe-blocking.
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I presume you’re referring to Cloudflare tunnel?
Yep, cloudflare tunnel / Zero trust.
Dead easy to set up.
if you know/use docker, the solution that has been the most straightforward for me is SWAG. the setup process is fairly easy when combined with registering your domain with Porkbun, as they allow free API access needed for obtaining top-level (
example.com) as well as wildcard (*.example.com) SSL certificates.along with that, exposing a new service is fairly easy with the plethora of already included nginx configs for services like Nextcloud, Syncthing, etc.
Why do so many people do this incorrectly. Unless you are actually serving a public then you don’t need to open anything other than a WireGuard tunnel. My phone automatically connects to WireGuard as soon as I disconnect from my home WiFi so I have access to every single one of my services and only have to expose one port and service.
If you are going through setting up caddy or nginx proxy manager or anything else and you’re not serving a public… you’re dumb.
What are you using to auto connect to VPN when you disconnect from your home wifi?
WG Tunnel does that natively, you can whitelist some wifis and auto connect on other and optionally on mobile data
I came here to upvote the post that mentions haproxy, but I can’t see it, so I’m resorting to writing one!
Haproxy is super fast, highly configurable, and if you don’t have the config nailed down just right won’t start so you know you’ve messed something up right away :-)
It will handle encryption too, so you don’t need to bother changing the config on your internal server, just tweak your firewall rules to let whatever box you have haproxy running on (you have a DMZ, right?) see the server, and you are good to go.
Google and stackexchange are your friends for config snippets. And I find the actual documentation is good too.
Configure it with certificates from let’s encrypt and you are off to the races.
I’ve tried 3 times so far in Python/gradio/Oobabooga and never managed to get certs to work or found a complete visual reference guide that demonstrates a complete working example like what I am looking for in a home network. (Only really commenting to subscribe to watch this post develop, and solicit advice:)
So far, I’ve played around with reverse proxies and ssl certs and the easiest method I’ve found so far was docker. Just haven’t put anything in production yet. If you don’t know how to use docker, learn, it’s so worth it.
Here is the tutorial I used and the note I left for myself. You’ll need a domain to play around with. Once you figure out how to get NGINX and certbot set up, replacing the helloworld container with a different one is relatively straight forward.
DO NOT FORGET, you must give certbot read write permissions in the docker-compose.yml file which isn't shown in this tutorial -----EXAMPLE, NOT PRODUCTION CODE---- nginx: container_name: nginx restart: unless-stopped image: nginx depends_on: - helloworld ports: - 80:80 - 443:443 volumes: - ./nginx/nginx.conf:/etc/nginx/nginx.conf - ./certbot/conf:/etc/letsencrypt:ro - ./certbot/www:/var/www/certbot:ro certbot: image: certbot/certbot container_name: certbot volumes: - ./certbot/conf:/etc/letsencrypt:rw - ./certbot/www:/var/www/certbot:rw command: certonly --webroot -w /var/www/certbot --keep-until-expiring --email *email* -d *domain1* -d *domain2* --agree-tosI’d add that Traefik works even better with Docker because you tag your other containers that have web ports and Traefik picks that up from Docker and terminates the SSL connection for them. You don’t even have to worry about setting up SSL on every individual service, Traefik will take care of that even for services that don’t implement SSL.
You don’t even have to worry about setting up SSL on every individual service
I probably need to look into it more but since traefik is the reverse proxy, doesn’t it just get one ssl cert for a domain that all the other services use? I think that’s how my current nginx proxy is set up; one cert configured to work with the main domain and a couple subdomains. If I want to add a subdomain, if I remember correctly, I just add it to the config, restart the containers, and certbot gets a new cert for all the domains
Traefik basically has certbot built in so when you configure a new hostname on a service it automatically handles requesting and refreshing the cert for you. It can either request individual certificates for each hostname or a wildcard certificate (*.yourdomain.com) that covers all subdomains.
The neat trick is that in Docker you configure Traefik by adding Docker tags to the other containers you want to proxy. When you start up a container, Traefik automatically reads the config from the tags, does any necessary setup, then viola it’s ready to go!
Caddy with cloudflare support in a docker container.
This the solution.
Caddy is simple.
I currently have a nginx docker container and certbot docker container that I have working but don’t have in production. No extra features, just a barebones reverse proxy with an ssl cert. Knowing that, I read through Caddy’s homepage but since I’ve never put an internet facing service into production, it’s not obvious to me what features I need or what I’m missing out on. Do you mind sharing what the quality of life improvements you benefit from with Caddy are?
What caddy does are automatic certs. You set up your web-portal and make a wildcard subdoman that points to your portal. Then you just enter two lines in the config and your new app is up. Lets say you want to put your hone assistant there. You could add hass.portal.domain.tld {reverse_proxy internal.ip:8123 } and it works. Possible with other setups too, but its no hassle
Honestly, if you know nginx just stick with it. There’s nothing to be gained by learning a new proxy.
Use Mozilla’s SSL generator if you want to harden nginx (or any proxy you choose)- https://ssl-config.mozilla.org/
I didn’t know about that tool. Thanks for sharing
I never went too far down the nginx route, so I can’t really compare the two. I ended up with caddy because I self-host vaultwarden and it really doesn’t like running over http (for obvious reasons) and caddy was the instruction set I found and understood first.
I don’t make a lot of what I host available to the wider internet, for the ones that I do, I recently migrated to using a Cloudflare tunnel to deal with the internet at large, but still have it come through caddy once it hits my server to get ssl. For everything else I have a headscale server in Oracle’s free tier that all my internal services connect to.
Does Caddy have an OWASP plugin like nginx?
I don’t use it, but it looks like yes.
I use nginx proxy manager and let’s encrypt with a porkbun domain, was very easy to set up for me. Never tried caddy/traefik/etc though. Geo blocking happens on my OPNsense with the built in tools.
Do you have instructions on how you set that up?
At a high level you forward ports 80 and 443 to NPM from your router. In NPM you set up your proxy by IP address and port and you can also set up automatic SSL certs when you create the proxy via letsencrypt. I also run a DDNS auto update that tells porkbun if my IP changes. I’d be happy to get into some more specifics if there’s a particular spot you’re stuck. This is all assuming you have a public IPv4 and aren’t behind cgnat. If you have cgnat you’re not totally fucked but it makes it more complicated. If it’s OPNsense related struggles that shit is mysterious to me, I’ve only been running it a few weeks and it’s not fully configured. Still learning.
Why am I forwarding all http and https traffic from WAN to a single system on my LAN? Wouldn’t that break my DNS?
You would be forwarding ingress traffic(traffic not originating from your internal network) to 443/80, this doesn’t affect egress requests(requests from users inside your network requesting external sites) so it wouldn’t break your internal DNS resolution of sites. All traffic heading to your router from outside origins would be pushed to your reverse proxy where you can then route however you please to whatever machine/port your apps live on.
I use a central nginx container to redirect to all my other services using a wildcard let’s encrypt cert for my internal domain from acme.sh and I access it all externally using a tailscale exit node. The only publicly accessible service that I run is my Lemmy instance. That uses a cloudflare tunnel and is isolated in it’s own vlan.
TBH I’m still not really happy having any externally accessible service at all. I know enough about security to know that I don’t know enough to secure against much anything. I’ve been thinking about moving the Lemmy instance to a vps so it can be someone else’s problem if something bad leaks out.
Don’t fret, not even Microsoft does.
You’re not as valuable as a target as Microsoft.
It’s just about risk tokerance. The only way to avoid risk is to not play the game.
wildcard let’s encrypt cert I know what “wildcard” and “let’s encrypt cert” are separately but not together. What’s going on with that?
How do you have your tailscale stuff working with ssl? And why did you set up ssl if you were accessing via tailscale anyway? I’m not grilling you here, just interested.
I know enough about security to know that I don’t know enough to secure against much anything
I feel that. I keep meaning to set up something like nagios for monitoring and just haven’t gotten around to it yet.
So when I ask Let’s Encrypt for a cert, I ask for *.int.teuto.icu instead of specifically jellyfin.int.teuto.icu, that way I can use the same cert for any internally running service. Mostly I use SSL on everything to make browsers complain less. There isn’t much security benefit on a local network. I suppose it makes harder to spoof on an external network, but I don’t think that’s a serious threat for a home net. I used to use home.lan for all of my services, but that has the drawback of redirecting to a search by default on most browsers. I have my tailscale exit node running on my router and it just works with SSL like anything else.
Ok so I currently have a cert set up to work with:
domain.com www.domain.com (some browsers seemingly didn’t like it if I didn’t have www) subdomain.domain.com
Are you saying I could just configure it like this: domain.com *.domain.com
The idea of not having to keep updating the cert with new subdomains (and potentially break something in the process) is really appealing
Yes. If you’re using lets encrypt then note that they do not support wildcard certs with the HTTP-01 challenge type. You will need to use the DNS-01 challenge type. To utilize it you would need a domain registrar that supports api dns updates like cloudflare and then you can use the acme.sh package. Here is an example guide i found.
Note that you could still request multiple explicit subdomains in the same issue/renew commands so it’s not a huge deal either way but the wildcard will be more seamless in the future if you don’t know what other services you might want to selfhost.
- I got started with a guide from these guys back in 2020. I still use traefik as my reverse proxy and Authelia for authentication and it has worked great all this time. As someone else said, everything is in containers on the one host and it is super easy this way. It all runs on a single box using containers for separation. I should probably look into a secondary server as a live backup, but that’s a lot of work / expense. I have a Cloudflare dynamic DNS container running for that.
- I would definitely advocate for owning your own domain, for the added use case of owning your own email addresses. I can now switch email providers and don’t have to worry about losing anything. This would also lean towards a more memorable domain, or at least a second domain that is memorable. Stay away from the country TLDs or “cute” generic TLDs and stay with a tried and true .com or .net (which may take some searching).
- I don’t bother with this, I just run my server behind Cloudflare, and let them protect my server. Some might disagree, but it’s easy for me and I like that.
- Containers, containers, containers! Probably Docker since it’s easy, but Podman if you really want to get fancy / extra secure. Also, make sure you have a git repo for your compose files, and a solid backup strategy from the start (so much easier than going back and doing it later). I use Backblaze for my backups and it’s $2/month for some peace of mind.
- Do it!!!
5). Hey OP, don’t worry, this can seem kind of scary at first, but it is not that difficult. I’ve skimmed some of the other comments and there are plenty of good tips here.
2). Yes, you will want your own domain and there is no fear of other people “knowing it” if you have everything set up correctly.
1b). Any cheap VPS will do and you don’t need to worry about it being virtualized rather than dedicated. What you really care about is bandwidth speed and limits because a reverse proxy is typically very light on resources. You would be surprised how little CPU/memory it needs.
1a). I use a cheap VPS from RackNerd. Once you have access to your VPS, just install your proxy directly into the OS or in Docker. Whichever is easier. The most important thing for choosing a reverse proxy is automatic TLS/Let’s Encrypt. I saw a comment from you about certbot… don’t bother with all that nonsense. Either Traefik, Caddy, or Nginx Proxy Manager (not vanilla Nginx) will do all this for you–I personally use Traefik unless for some reason I can’t. Way less headaches. The second most important thing to decide is how your VPS in the cloud will connect back to your home securely… I personally use Tailscale for that and it works perfectly fine.
3). Honestly, I think Fail2Ban and geo restrictions are overdoing it. Fail2ban has never gotten me any lift because any sort of modern brute force attack will come from a botnet that has 1000s of unique IPs… never triggering Fail2ban because no repeat offenders. Just ensure your VPS has a firewall enabled and you know what ports you are exposing from Docker and you should be good. If your services don’t natively support authentication, look into something like Authelia or Authentik. Rather than Fail2Ban and/or geo restrictions, I would be more inclined to suggest a WAF like Caddy WAF before I reached for geo restrictions. Again, assuming your concern is security, a WAF would do way more for you than IP restrictions which are easily circumvented.
4). Have fun!
EDIT: formatting
Tailscale is very popular among people I know who has similar problems. Supposedly it’s pretty transparent and easy to use.
If you want to do it yourself, setting up dyndns and a wireguard node on your network (with the wireguard udp port forwarded to it) is probably the easiest path. The official wireguard vpn app is pretty good at least for android and mac, and for a linux client you can just set up the wireguard thing directly. There are pretty good tutorials for this iirc.
Some dns name pointing to your home IP might in theory be an indication to potential hackers that there’s something there, but just having an alive IP on the internet will already get you malicious scans. Wireguard doesn’t respond unless the incoming packet is properly signed so it doesn’t show up in a regular scan.
Geo-restriction might just give a false sense of security. Fail2ban is probably overkill for a single udp port. Better to invest in having automatic security upgrades on and making your internal network more zero trust
On my home network I have nginxproxymanager running let’s encrypt with my domain for https, currently only for vaultwarden (I’m testing it for a bit for rolling it out or migrating wholly over to https). My domain is a ######.xyz that’s cheap.
For remote access I use Tailscale. For friends and family I give them a relay [raspberry pi with nginx which proxys them over tailscale] that sits on their home network, that way they need “something they have”[the relay] and “something they know” [login credentials] to get at my stuff. I won’t implement biometrics for “something they are”. This is post hoc justification though, and nonesense to boot. I don’t want to expose a port and a VPS has low WAF and I’m not installing tailscale on all of their devices so s relay is an unhappy compromise.
For bonus points I run pihole to pretty up the domain names to service.swirl and run a homarr instance so no-one needs to remember anything except home.swirl, but if they do remember immich.swirl that works too.
If there are many ways to skin a cat I believe I chose to use a spoon, don’t be like me. Updating each dockge instance is a couple minutes and updating diet pi is a few minutes more which, individually, is not a lot on my weekly/monthly maintence respectfully. But on aggregate… I have checklists. One day I’ll write a script that will ssh into a machine > update/upgrade the os > docker compose pull/rebuild/purge> move on to the next relay… That’ll be my impetus to learn how to write a script.
That’ll be my impetus to learn how to write a script.
This part caught my eye. You were able to do all that other stuff without ever attempting to write a script? That’s surprising and awesome. Assuming you are running everything on a linux server, I feel like a bash script that is run via a cronjob would be your best bet, no need to ssh into the server, just let it do it on it’s own. I haven’t tested any of this but I do have scripts I wrote that do automatic ZFS backups and scrubs; the order should go something like:
open the terminal on the server and type
mkdir scriptscd scriptsnano docker-updates.shtype something along the lines of this (I’m still learning docker so adjust the commands to your needs)
#!/bin/bash cd /path/to/scripts/docker-compose.yml docker compose pull && docker compose up -d docker image prune -fsave the file and then type
sudo chmod +x ./docker-updates.shto make it executableand finally set up a cronjob to run the script at specific intervals. type
crontab -eor
sudo crontab -e(this is if you want to run the script as root but ideally, you just add your user to the docker group so this shouldn’t be needed)and at the bottom of the file type this and save, that’s it:
# runs script at 1am on the first of every month 0 1 1 * * /path/to/scripts/docker-updates.shthis website will help you choose a different interval
For OS updates you basically do the same thing except the script would look something like: (I forget if you need to type “sudo” or not; it’s running as root so I don’t think you need it but maybe try it with sudo in front of both "apt"s if it’s not working. Also use whatever package manager you have if you aren’t using apt)
while in the scripts folder you created earlier
nano os-updates.sh#!/bin/bash apt update -y && apt upgrade -y reboot nowsave and don’t forget to make it exectuable
then use
sudo crontab -e(because you’ll need root privileges to update. this will run the script as root without requiring you to input your password)# runs script at 12am on the first of every month 0 0 1 * * /path/to/scripts/os-updates.shI did think about cron but, long ago, I heard it wasn’t best practice to update through cron because the lack of logs makes things difficult to see where things went wrong, when they do.
I’ve got automatic-upgrades running on stuff so it’s mostly fine. Dockge is running purely to give me a way to upgrade docker images without having to ssh. It’s just the monthly routine of “apt update && apt upgrade -y” *5 that sucks.
Thank you for the advice though. I’ll probably set cron to update the images with the script as you suggest. I have a “maintenance” homarr page as a budget uptime kuma so I can quickly look there to make sure everything is pinging at least. I made the page so I can quickly get to everyone’s dockge, pihole and nginx but the pings were a happy accident.
the lack of logs
That’s the best part, with a script, you can pipe the output of the updates into a log file you create yourself. I don’t currently do that, if something breaks, I just roll back to a previous snapshot and try again later but it’s possible and seemingly straight forward.
This askubuntu link will probably help
Nginx Proxy Manager + LetsEncrypt.
If security is one of your concerns, search for “HTTP client side certificates”. TL;DR: you can create certificates to authenticate the client and configure the server to allow connections only from trusted devices. It adds extra security because attackers cannot leverage known vulnerabilities on the services you host since they are blocked at http level.
It is a little difficult to find good and updated documentation but I managed to make it work with nginx. The downside is that Firefox mobile doesn’t support them, but Firefox PC and Chrome have no issues.
Of course you want also a server side certificate, the easiest way is to get it from Let’s Encrypt
That’s interesting, I didn’t know that was a thing. I’ll look into it, thanks!
I remember that I started by following these two guides.
https://fardog.io/blog/2017/12/30/client-side-certificate-authentication-with-nginx/
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7768593/
something I’m not sure it is mentioned here is that android (at lest the version on my phone) accepts only a legacy format for certificates and the error message when you try to import the new format is totally opaque. If you cannot import it there just check openssl flags to change the export format.
